Suspending a license"with stay" and going into other health care Google [Michigan]?

Healer555 · Jan 12

100% speak to a lawyer who deals with medical licensing issues for the right answer. If I were to guess this would be a red flag and you'd postpone hprp only until you needed it either for a dental hygiene program or to be licensed as a dental hygienist. If you want to avoid hprp you need to do something unrelated to medicine. And even then you may still have issues on a background check. I'd absolutely speak to a lawyer.

Here you're going to get a lot of guesses.

I am very vocal about the monitoring agreement being wrong and horrible. When I'm done I will have a spotless license and record. I will add that I didn't commit any crimes and was only reported to my state monitoring program. I'll be glad to leave it behind.

NurseJackie69 · Jan 12

The answer to your question is YES and No.

Here is the NO part and I will follow with the YES part. If your license has been Suspended with Stay, this means you are likely under consent order. If you are under consent order one of your requirements will be to enter monitoring. If you don't meet the requirements, your license will be revoked and that means OIG exclusion list which means no other Healthcare licenses issued to you, even a non Nursing Healthcare area. Most consent orders will say you have to meet certain requirements when your license has been suspended With Stay in order for your license to not be 100 percent suspended (no stay) or even Revoked. Revoked is a disaster. You can forget about Healthcare in ANY field for 5 to 7 years if revoked.

Now the YES Part. Most people who have licenses that are Suspended with Stay have requirements that require therapy and/or Rehab and entering into monitoring. You can do all of that (meet the requirements) and simply begin to enter into another Healthcare field/transition at the same time.

Speak to a lawyer and understand this....if you have already Signed a Consent Order agreeing to the Suspended with Stay, you are now obligated to meet the requirements in the consent order and the lawyer can not get you out of that. They can't nullify a contract. You are now obligated to complete the consent order requirements IF.....IF you have already signed the consent order and if you don't, they can not just fully Suspend your license, but they can actually Revoke it. Revoke means disaster. It means zero chance of another Healthcare field transition until 5 to 7 years go by.

Sometimes, a license can be suspended with Stay and the nurse has Not Yet signed a consent order. This is where a lawyer is critical. The lawyer could simply ask for your license to be fully suspended and NOT revoked. In this case, you are not under consent order and don't have to meet any requirements other than the obvious....if you choose to come back into nursing in the future, you will go under monitoring and consent order.

BONs arr sneaky. They often don't fully suspend a license and tell the nurse to come back in 1 year for reinstatement which means after 1 year, the nurse comes back, reapplied does the consent order and 5 years of monitoring OR....the nurse can simply walk away from the profession and move on to another Healthcare field. The BON loves to do the "Suspended with Stay" because they got you on the hook from day 1 and they basically lock you into a consent order and monitoring and you basically can't leave the field. This is their money grabber. If you don't comply with the monitoring and consent order, they Revoke you and ruin your life or chances in other Healthcare.

Last thing. If you have not yet signed a consent order (I'm willing to bet you already have), but of you haven't, a lawyer could be huge in simply arguing for the BON to Fully Suspend your license and to NOT Revoke it. This would mean you don't have to meet any BON requirements or monitoring and you can walk away and leave your license suspended forever. But.....understand this...even if you do that and you choose another Healthcare field that requires a license or certification guess what one of the first questions is when you finish your school to do something else in Healthcare and it's time to apply for that certification or license? "Has your license ever been suspended or revoked." If you lie, that's a felony. Also, they can easily find out and will know so there's no way to cover it up. Guess what that new licensing agency is going to likely have you do? Enter the state Healthcare monitoring program for 2, 3, or even 5 years.

If I were you and I wanted yo leave nursing. I'm betting you already signed the consent agreement. Do the consent agreement/monitoring fulfill their requirements for the BON so your license isn't revoked and begin your career transition into another Healthcare field right now. You can do both at the same time, and when you complete the training for that new field and it's time to apply for a license, you just took the past suspended license question off the table when you answer yes because you will have been in a monitoring program anyway.

Seek an attorney accept in one case. If you have already signed the consent agreement you are done. The attorney can't help you as it relates to your obligation to fulfill the requirements of that consent agreement. If you have not yet signed, then I would be knocking on attorneys doors very fast.

Blinkyvx · Jan 13

NurseJackie69 said:

Sometimes, a license can be suspended with Stay and the nurse has Not Yet signed a consent order. This is where a lawyer is critical. The lawyer could simply ask for your license to be fully suspended and NOT revoked. In this case, you are not under consent order and don't have to meet any requirements other than the obvious....if you choose to come back into nursing in the future, you will go under monitoring and consent order.

NO, I have not yet signed anything, I was waiting to go on vacation first, then enter monitoring.. I have a lawyer currently, and when I mentioned suspend with stay she said shed never heard of that..

IS this applicable to michgian, or only certain states?

But it sounds even if I DO this , then I still will have to do monitoring at some point, there just is no way around this, only to defer it.

IF I answer YES on my application, id bet they would not want to hire me...BUT ideally id go into dental hygienist, then specialize in whats called myofunctional therapy. Something I have a great interest in and ahve been through myself and know people in the field and who own their ow business for it. So if I started my own business that question wouldn't apply, save if it is regarding a small business loan or such..

NurseJackie69 · Jan 13

Blinkyvx said:

NO, I have not yet signed anything, I was waiting to go on vacation first, then enter monitoring.. I have a lawyer currently, and when I mentioned suspend with stay she said shed never heard of that..

IS this applicable to michgian, or only certain states?

But it sounds even if I DO this , then I still will have to do monitoring at some point, there just is no way around this, only to defer it.

IF I answer YES on my application, id bet they would not want to hire me...BUT ideally id go into dental hygienist, then specialize in whats called myofunctional therapy. Something I have a great interest in and ahve been through myself and know people in the field and who own their ow business for it. So if I started my own business that question wouldn't apply, save if it is regarding a small business loan or such..

Suspended with Stay can apply to any state. Suspended with Stay basically means.....your license really isn't Suspended as long as you start meeting requirements immediately. Since you haven't signed a consent order yet, I would actually hold off on monitoring pending what my lawyer said.

If your license was Suspended (no stay, but actually Suspended) you could simply move on to another profession and enter into a monitoring program on your own Assuming you are going to be doing something else in the medical field. For example, Dental Hygienist would still require you to do a monitoring program when you applied for the license upon school completion, because they can easily tell that you have a Suspended Nursing License out there.

In 99 of the cases in which a Nurse is certain they do not want to remain a nurse, it's actually easier to have a Suspended License and not a Suspended with Stay. I think the BON does this because it's a scam. They make money off of you.

Critical Here!!! Sometimes...keyword...Sometimes, one of the stipulations placed in a consent order is that you obviously have to do monitoring, but you also have to Work As a Nurse for a certain amount of time in your monitoring agreement. If your consent order/monitoring agreement says 3 years of monitoring, they will often require for you to work as a nurse for 2 out of those 3 years and if your consent order/monitoring agreement is 5 years, the common (not always, but common) number is 3 years out of those 5 years working as a nurse. This is where the lawyer is critical!

If you are pretty certain you want to do something else in the Healthcare Field, you want your lawyer to argue that one of the stipulations is that you will not/can not have in your consent order a requirement to work as a nurse in order to graduate monitoring.

Your best course in my opinion. Speak to an attorney of course, don't sign a monitoring agreement yet and do not enter monitoring yet, be sure before you sign a consent order that part of the stipulations are that you don't have to work as a nurse to complete your monitoring agreement and hopefully you only get 3 years. Lastly, if your lawyer can get it done, actually ask for your license to be Suspended (no stay) and NOT Revoked, but simply Suspended. This removes your obligation to the BON and you can then enter monitoring to get the clock started for your future Dentsl Hygien License.

NurseJackie69 · Jan 13

Last thing. If you have been active on recovery and have been in monitoring for a couple of years when you complete Dental Hygienist Training and get your license, you will be credited for your time already in monitoring and you WILL get a job. You would be alarmed at how receptive to recovery others are, especially with a nursing background and now you have just graduated and retrained and are open about your recovery. There are people thst actually admire your change and it's like the Rocky story. You got hit by the Russian Drago, but you got up and kicked ***.

Want to know the most closed off group of any profession for those in recovery and who eat their own as it relates to recovery? You guessed it. Nursing. The group claiming to be the "Open Minded Multitaskers" are actually some of the most closed minded single task only people of any profession in the world. Do exceptions apply? Of course they do and not all nurses are the same. You WILL get a job as a Dental Hygienist.

Athenaray · May 1

James Dean said:

That's a very important question — and you're right to be cautious. While I'm not a legal or licensing expert, here's what I can tell you based on general knowledge:

If your nursing license is suspended and you're under an HPRP (Health Professional Recovery Program) agreement or investigation, switching professions — like becoming a dental hygienist — typically doesn't exempt you from the obligations of that program. Many health-related licensing boards share disciplinary information, and trying to "walk away" without addressing the issue might lead to complications down the road, especially if you later apply for licensure in another regulated healthcare field.

Dental hygiene is a licensed profession, and most states require disclosure of past disciplinary actions or suspensions, even from unrelated professions. Attempting to avoid or delay HPRP by switching fields could be seen as non-compliance, which might impact future licensure opportunities.

If you're serious about transitioning careers, your best first step is to consult:

A licensing attorney

Your state's dental hygiene board

An HPRP case manager (if applicable)

Being proactive and transparent will likely help you more than avoidance in the long run.

If you license is Suspended, you actually ARE exempt from that states requirements regarding monitoring/consent agreement/etc. You can leave your license Suspended for the remained of your life and do nothing with the BON if you choose. If you choose to come back to nursing with a Suspended License, those monitoring requirements pick up right where they left off. If your license is Suspended With Stay, then you are on the hook to do monitoring, the meetings, monthly/quarterly reports, etc. This is a full blown active consent order. Suspended with Stay is basically saying....."Your license isn't really suspended, but one mishap and it is suspended." That's essentially what it means. There's a gigantic Difference in a License that is Suspended and one that is Suspended with Stay.

Me personally, I would skip the attorney. They are going to cost you money in your case of which ..........no attorney in America will get you out of some kind of monitoring program for at least 3 years If.....IF.....you are choosing to stay in the healthcare field. Meaning, Dental Hygiene Programs and their licensing agency will easily see you had the substance abuse thing and want proof of your recovery in the form of MONITORING the very second you apply for a DH license. They will want a minimum of 3 years of some kind of monitoring program where you get randomly tested, so why not just do the HPRP program> That would count. No lawyer in America will get you out of some type of monitoring program If.......again, IF....you are choosing to do anything in the healthcare field. It's a given. You can pay 10 to 15 grand to a lawyer and they can "make you feel good," and tell you that "they will work with the D. Hygiene Board for you." All of that is great......at the end of the day, you WILL STILL end up in some form of monitoring program whether that's while you are in school to become a DH, or upon completion of DH school and you beginning to practice and that lawyer they made you feel good will have cost about 10 grand.

NurseJackie69 · May 2

If there's any chance you are staying in the Healthcare Field, you WILL end up in monitoring, whether you do Dental, Medicine, Physical Therapy, PA. Save your money from an attorney and get into some kind of monitoring program because you are GOING IF.....IF.......you stay in the Healthcare Field of any kind. A lawyer will cost you 10 grand just for..........you to end up in monitoring. You can do all the consulting you wish, there is no harm in it, but I promise you, you WILL end up in monitoring IF you stay in Healthcare.

Possibilities........If you have your nurse license suspended and you do Dental Hygiene in another state, there is a chance you could Possibly slip through Without Monitoring, but there is two problems.

1. Any and All Healthcare professions that require a license in the US are Required by Federal Law to ask you on the application if your license has ever been Suspended or disciplined, etc. Answering that question NO is actually a felony in many states, but if you did answer no and snuck through, here is problem 2.

2. Three years down the road or 7 years down the road you are a Dental Hygiene Provider in a state 2000 miles away from your old nursing state. One of your friends or family members or husband or wife gets pissed at you and makes one simple phone call to the D. Hygiene Board about your past. The D.Hygeine Board quickly finds your past suspended license with a quick internet search and now you risk prosecution and a revoked DH license and your career is over and now you definitely get to consult a lawyer, a defense attorney because there is a small chance at prosecution. The loss of the D. Hygiene license is now the least of your worries.

I will repeat. Get into monitoring NOW if you are 100 percent sure you are staying in the Healthcare field. You can delay, investigate, "consult", call an attorney, etc. At the end of the day, after all of those discussions, I guarantee you.....You will end up in some kind of monitoring program. The sooner you start, the sooner it ends. But again, if you are leaving the Healthcare field, then that's an entirely different discussion.