Scenario - input, please!

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  1. Would you give the 2nd pill?

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      Yes, I see the norco and tylenol as separate orders.
    • 6
      Yes, the amount of tylenol is not a concern at that level.
    • 1
      No, Norco contains tylenol, it would be against doctor's orders.
    • 0
      No, the nurse should've just given one or the other.
    • 11
      Maybe, depends on their 24 hour total tylenol intake.

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Ok. Let's talk scenarios, please.

Let's say you have a new patient, one that has an acute condition that could reasonably require pain medication, and also a psychiatric disorder which has the tendency to cause anxiety and sudden mood swings.

You initially do not have the narcotic (Norco) that the MD prescribed as the pharmacy is running late, but you do have an order for acetaminophen 500-1000mg Q6H PRN and your patient insists at first that they will be fine with Tylenol.

Not knowing how they respond to Tylenol, other than that there is no allergy, you initially offer your patient 1 500mg tablet as they have insisted repeatedly that they are not in much pain and do not need anything strong. Your patient accepts it without complaint. It is 12 pm.

At 2 pm, you finally receive the narcotic. The patient states that they 'would like one of those' as their pain is back. Your order for the Norco is Q4-6H, 1-2 tablets, 7.5/325mg. Knowing that the acetaminophen you gave earlier could've been given in a 1000mg dose, let's go ahead and assume you were comfortable giving your patient 1 tablet of Norco.

In your patient's body is now 825mg of acetaminophen. 15 minutes later, you get a call from the patient. They are very agitated and accuse you of not doing your job because they are still in pain. They demand another norco tablet from you, though they did not protest earlier about the given dose.

Did you give the 2nd pill? Why / Why not? Do you give acetaminophen to your patients in between norco / percocet / ultracet doses, even though those medications contain acetaminophen? Why / why not?

Is there something you would've done differently than the nurse in the example did? If yes, what and why?

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

Regarding the patient's development of agitation and the accusatory (hostile?) demeanor, treat it as appropriate... that is, Zyprexa, Valium, Ativan, Haldol, etc... PO/IM/IV as appropriate.

These words ring a bell?

I wasn't the only one who found this statement a bit harsh. I can't speak for other AN members with mental health concerns, but I personally would hate to be in the care of a nurse whose answer to my questions about my meds---especially if I were agitated and/or anxious---is a shot of Haldol (or something similar). That may not have been your intent, but your statement does show some callousness toward persons with psych issues.

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.....

Specializes in Med-Surg.

If the hydrocodone order said 1-2 tablets then I would give the second tablet. If their pain were still unrelieved after that the I would call the physician for further orders. Agree that a medication without Tylenol would be easier.

Also... K-pad, hot packs, repositioning, ect.

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