SCARED of being a nurse - hazardous drugs

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Hi everyone,

I'm a nursing student and I posted a little while back about being frightened to go to a 6-week oncology ward rotation because of the chemotherapy drugs. During the time I was there, I spent about 45 minutes in the pharmacy in the clean room watching how the pharmacists mixed the chemo under the biological safety cabinet with the vertical air flow - I didn't touch anything (and was wearing PPE, though because we had the hood, we just had normal paper masks and no respirators), but afterwards I was terrified that there was chemo in the air and I've been having trouble getting it out of my head now that I might develop cancer due to this exposure as well as tiny exposures in the ward that might have occured. This probably sounds really paranoid, and probably is, but I just regret so much being in there because it wasn't part of my normal rotation, but rather just an opportunity offered to me (and I took it mainly to be polite, not because I actually wanted to see, which was stupid). Then again, the pharmacist told me that she would be more concerned about the exposure the nurses get in the wards touching the pre-prepared IV bags and administering the drugs, and I know that OSHA doesn't recommend respirators when mixing the drugs as long as it is done in the safety cabinet. I guess it just freaked me out because I was expecting it to be totally closed off with gloves attached. Please tell me that I'm not going to die from cancer because I spent a 45 minutes in there (I know, I'm being ridiculously paranoid, but it's nice to hear from others)?

Anyway, now that I'm in another ward (mainly nephrology ward with kidney failure patients and diabetics), I was just starting to feel better about the whole oncology ward thing. I ended up only spending a total of 2 weeks there and I never had to handle the chemo myself, although I was nearby when my mentor administered it. I was just starting to stop thinking about getting cancer all the time when I discovered that there are hazardous drugs in many different wards in a hospital. Chemo drugs are used in labor and delivery, to treat rheumatoid athritis, used in the operating room, etc. I just discovered the other day that one patient I have been treating is a kidney transplant patient (it's an older transplant, which is why I didn't know) and has been receiving a daily dose of cyclosporine, an immunosupressant to combat rejection. And through my own research, I discovered that although it is not genotoxic, it is a human carcinogen and it secretes in part inactivated into feces, vomit, and a bit into urine as well, and it's listed as a hazardous drug by NIOSH. I had just cleaned up spilled feces on bed linens and emptied this patient's urine bag many many times wearing only one pair of normal latex gloves and taking no special precautions. After discovering that this is classed as a hazardous drug, I was really surprised to find that no one had told me, nor was it written anywhere on the patient's papers as a warning that he was taking a hazardous drug. Thank goodness it was in tablet form or I'd be even more upset. I'm not too worried about my current exposure (though I am a bit), but I'm planning to sign a contract next week to work at this ward for 3 months during my summer vacation and now I'm actually considering turning down the job because I'm scared. I want to talk to the head nurse about it, but I have a feeling nothing will change just because some student points it out. Also I really need a summer job and I'm not sure where I could get one where this wouldn't be a possible issue.

I'm also starting to question whether or not this type of hospital nursing is right for me, as I'm realizing more and more that many drugs not associated with cancer treatment are hazardous and that it seems that staff is not even informed of the dangers nor do they know to handle these drugs any differently than any others. It makes me feel paranoid about any drugs, because I feel like if I don't research every drug I see, no one else is going to tell me to be careful. I have a 6-week rotation in a surgical ward next, and then a 4-week rotation in the ICU. I just keep wondering what kinds of scary drugs could be used in those wards that no one will tell me about or follow proper safety protocol for. I think they wouldn't bother me so much if it was made known what patient has gotten what drug and what safety precautions need to be taken. But it seems like no one pays attention or even knows.

So here's the deal - my dream is to become a NICU or a pediatric nurse. I know in pediatrics I would be likely to run into a lot of these other drugs, but I wonder if there will be hazardous drugs in the NICU? The other thing I'm considering is to switch gears in my school and become a public health nurse instead, which is hard to explain because I think they don't have those in the US. Basically they work with preventative medicine, and my dream there would be working with healthy children that come in for regular check-ups to track development and give vaccinations. I'm relatively certain they never handle any hazardous drugs, or hardly any drugs at all, for that matter (aside from vaccinations). But that would be a big decision to make based on a fear that might not be reasonable. I feel like a have a sudden drug-phobia and I really need someone to either reassure me that I'm being silly, or tell me that I'm right, and there does need to be stricter safety protocols in place.

And could someone please tell me if I'm likely to encounter hazardous drugs in the ICU? My rotation there is not for a couple of months, so I still have the opportunity to change it to another ward.

Also, if anyone could possibly give me a list of common hazardous drugs not related to cancer treatment and tell me where they are likely to be used and what kind of precautions should be taken, it would make me feel a lot better.

Specializes in Gerontology.

Thanks Grntea. I don't have much experience with chemo drugs so I was confused.

Since you brought up hormones and the pill, maybe that wasn't such a bad idea. Hormones can do crazy things to your brain, especially when you are stressed out and vulnerable. Talk to your doctor about this. Talk to someone who doesn't want to just hand you a script for Cymbalta to make it all go away!

Good luck to you! I think you will make a great nurse! Btw how much longer do you have?

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Thanks. I have a very supportive family that I've talked to about this, I just wanted to talk to a few nurses too who would understand better why I'm concerned in the first place, who actually have some knowledge about these drugs. My family is great, but they don't know much about chemo or any other hazardous drugs or what kind of practices are normal in the hospital. :)

I've heard of some women getting prescribed anti-depressants specifically so that they could stay on hormonal bc, which I think is crazy. I've already decided to stop - I've tried different pills and I'm just sick of not feeling like myself.

I'm glad someone thinks I will. :/ I have about 2 years left.

It is actually a lot different. The purpose of contact precautions is to prevent the spread highly contagious pathogens MRSA, VRE, C-Diff etc. to other patients. The purpose of using PPE with chemotherapy doesn't have anything to do with other patients.

I know this, but I also think most nurses would still wear PPE to protect themselves, even if it was impossible to spread it to other patients through their hands.

I understand that you are upset that no one informed you that you should have used PPE in the oncology unit, but it's over and done with now. My main question is this: after you found out all this information about the drugs, needing extra PPE to handle body fluids, etc, why didn't you just don that PPE to enter rooms regardless of what the nurses did?

My answer is this: I did. I started carrying around the extra-thick nitrile gloves in my pocket, even though the nurses there seemed to think that was ridiculous. But other protection like aprons was not offered to me, even after I brought it up. To be honest, I just didn't feel very comfortable there anymore and I felt stressed all the time about when to wear what and, I'm sorry to say, but also what the other nurses would think of me if I told them to wait while I went to get extra PPE. I know that's silly, but I'm a student and these people affect my grades at the end of the internship, and yes, peer pressure I guess. I'm not perfect and it's hard to be in a place where you feel judged for trying to be safe. You shouldn't be made to feel bad for following safety policies.

And now the issue is, how do I know if a patient is getting one of these hazardous drugs? I can't possibly obsessively check drug lists every day and compare to some list of HDs and the different brand names, even I can see that THAT would be paranoid and would waste valuable time that I should be spending on patients. xD I'm just having trouble with the idea of, okay now I know they are dangerous and I know that I'm technically supposed to wear extra PPE.. so how can I just forget about that and pretend like it's nothing? I almost wish I didn't know - ignorance is bliss. x) But now that I DO know, I want it to be made clear which patients are getting hazardous drugs so that I can wear that extra PPE, regardless of what the other nurses think. I feel like that's the responsibility of my employer, isn't it?

I agree with mattrnstudent...I have been a nurse for a very long time & I use whatever PPE I feel that I need regardless of what anybody else says...I double glove @ times..I wear goggles @ times..I really could care less what anybody else thinks..It is your body and you should protect yourself, as well as your patients, as much as you feel is necessary..

Thanks, that makes me feel better that I'm not the only one wanting to wear extra PPE that others do not. X) Even if the other nurses might look at me a little funny...

I'm not really freaking out or panicking anymore, but I'm just stressed now, because I feel like it's not something I can just ignore. Afterall, if the risk was so miniscule as to be completely negligible, why would they list these drugs on NIOSH as hazardous and recommend they be handled differently than other drugs? The warning is there for a reason. I want to just wear the extra PPE with patients getting hazardous drugs, but would it be completely unreasonable to talk to my employer about how I can find out if a patient is getting a hazardous drug so that I can know when to protect myself? I feel like if they don't keep track now, they aren't going to do it just for me. And I'm not even sure that they SHOULD if no one else is worried about it, but then I feel like, isn't it an injustice to all employees there who might not even realize those are HDs and aren't properly informed? Half of the nurses in that ward are fresh out of school and I honestly don't think they even know. Then again, they might know and not care, so who am I to demand everything be changed just because I'm scared about something that no one else is?

I'm a little bit confused.

Chemotherapy drugs are given to treat Cancer - why would you think you would get Cancer from being exposed to them?

Isn't that a little like saying you'll get an infection from antibiotics?

Many chemotherapy drugs are known human carcinogens, as well has having other nasty side effects. For instance, here where I live pregnant nurses are not allowed to hang chemotherapy drugs, because of studies finding a significant increase in spontaneous abortion. They've also been linked to low birth weight, infertility, learning disabilities and congenital malformations in the children of oncology nurses (though I think these links are still somewhat questionable). Chemotherapy drugs often cause secondary malignancies in cancer patients cured of their original cancer (meaning the chemo created another cancer that showed up a few months to a few years later). Some studies have even shown a significant increase in the risk of certain cancers (like leukemia) in oncology nurses, though these studies are mostly outdated, I think, so it was probably a lack of good education and PPE. Also studies have proven that even with proper safety procedures, chemo spreads throughout oncology wards and traceable amounts can be found on floors, the surfaces of tables, door handles, etc. As well as very significant amounts on the bags prepared by the pharmacy to be administered to the patients. Studies have also found traceable amounts of chemo drugs excreted into the urine of nurses and pharmacists, as well as mutation of their urine and/or lymphocytes. These findings improved with better use of PPE, though.

Also it's a known fact that many chemo drugs extrete in part unchanged into the urine, feces, vomit, and other bodily fluids of patients who have received them for 2-7 days depending on the drug (hence the need for extra PPE even if you aren't the one administering the drug).

You see this? This is my problem. I read way too much. xD The risks are relatively small, though, BUT at least my fears are not based on some kind of superstition. There are also other hazardous drugs listed by NIOSH that are not necessarily chemotherapy drugs, such as Cyclosporine, the one that my kidney transplant patient is taking, which excretes into feces especially and is a known human carcinogen, classified as highly toxic. Actually I think some anti-viral or anbiotics are on that list as well.. And the reason I'm stressed is because it seems that if I get a patient with these drugs, most likely no one will tell me and I'll care for them without the recommended PPE without even realizing it. I kind of just wish I'd never read about these things at all. :/

Some links if you are interested, just don't let them freak you out like I did xD

CDC - Hazardous Drug Exposures in Health Care - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2010-167/pdfs/2010-167.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2004-165/pdfs/2004-165.pdf

http://www.osha.gov/dts/osta/otm/otm_vi/otm_vi_2.html

About PPE: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/wp-solutions/2009-106/pdfs/2009-106.pdf

As you work with more and more drugs, you will learn what is hazardous and what is not. You will begin to better understand the risks involved with each drug, and your knowledge base will increase. My advice is this: if wearing extra PPE makes you feel better, then wear it. It isn't going to harm the patient, it isn't going to harm you, and it isn't going to harm the other staff. You may look silly charging into a room with a gown, two pairs of gloves, and a mask, but it won't hurt anything. Of course, you shouldn't wear extra PPE all the time, but you should wear it if you are in doubt.

My policy is this: if the patient is on special precautions, I wear the full amount of PPE regardless of whether the rest of the staff does or not. For example, for contact precautions, I wear a gown (always), a mask (usually), and gloves (sometimes two pairs of gloves). If I am working with a patient who has a suppressed immune system and is at a greater risk for infection, I wear a gown, mask, and gloves to prevent transmission of germs to them. If I think the patient is receiving a dangerous med, or if I feel unsafe, I investigate the drug and then dress accordingly.

I don't care if I see all the rest of the staff going in with simply a pair of gloves on, if the patient is on contact precautions for MRSA, I am wearing a gown, and possibly a mask too. I don't care if they say, "Oh, his surveillance culture was positive, it's probably not anything to worry about. You don't have to wear all that." I'm not chancing it, and I'm not opening myself up to the possibility of infection with MRSA. With that being said, that fear does not consume me. I dress accordingly, do what I need to do, and then leave the room. I wash my hands afterwards, but I usually don't give another thought to having been exposed to MRSA. You need to learn to distance yourself from your fears, and how to handle things more rationally.

Maybe you're right. Maybe I'll feel more comfortable once I actually start to understand the drugs better. I think a lot of my fear right now has to do with feeling completely vulnerable because I don't know what drugs are dangerous or how to protect myself, I don't understand what half the drugs are that my patients are getting, etc.

I don't worry about getting MRSA, either. x) But I understand your point. Thanks.

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