Recent RN or CPN in Montreal, Quebec

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Hi, Everyone!

Some questions for those who recently became an RN or a CPN in Montreal, Quebec.

1) OIIQ now states on their website that regardless of one's studies and work experience, all applicants outside of Quebec must complete at least 30 days of clinical integration training. From your personal experience, is it true? Also, did you feel that with your level of nursing education (Bachelor of Science or "Etudes universitaires de premier cycle completees, Sciences infirmieres" in my case) and your work experience (3 years in Russia, 1 year in USA in my case) you were required to complete more than the bare 30-day minimum training? I, of course, bombarded OIIQ with these questions over the phone, but they're playing deaf and dumb, as usual, and just keep reciting their "formulaires", which I can freely read on their website, without the luxury of the lengthy international phone call!

Basically, what I'd like to know is how long would it take me from the time my application is approved by the OIIQ to the time I complete integration training and become a CPN? I've done some preliminary job interviews, and this is the first question they ask. Again, I have a Bachelor degree in Nursing and 4 years work experience.

2) Do I even need to mention my work experience to the OIIQ? From the recounts I've read, it seems that OIIQ doesn't really look at your work experience and you still have to pass that 30-day integration. But the question is, if I don't submit my work experience for OIIQ's evaluation, is there a risk that even with a Bachelor degree in Nursing I will be required to complete more than those 30 days in a clinical setting? Is there a chance OIIQ will drop some theory training req's on me as well?

Oh, and the reason I don't want to mention my work experience to OIIQ is because it's gonna be very expensive for me. While there's no problem with the American hospital I work at, my former Russian employers are gonna have a field day milking me for money for every piece of documentation they'll be required to fill out, translate and send by international mail. I've already gone through this when I received my US license - paid a hefty sum to each Russian employer just so the OIIQ's applications won't end up in the trash can. They call it "processing expenses", I call it "racketeering". So, does your work experience make any difference in the amount of integration training OIIQ requires you to do?

3) At what point during the application/integration/registration process will you need to have a Canadian work permit? Is it before you can begin you integration training? Or is it after you complete training and can become a CPN? If I understood correctly, one is not paid during the integration training, right? So, is it still considered work for which you need to obtain a work permit? Or can I, as a US citizen, just move to Montreal for the 30-day training period and worry about getting a work permit only after I'm eligible to become a CPN?

4) Was it easy to find work as a CPN? Or, if that were the case, as a trainee? Please, share your experiences and suggestions.

Big thanks to everyone!

hi nicole, yes we got paid. :yeah:

about the 500cad exam fee - you have to pay 498$ - here's how it works though - if you fail the exam, they give you back 325$ ($175 is the actual cost to take the exam)-- and if you pass, they keep the whole amount because this would (from my understanding) be used to cover your registration in the quebec roll.

i wanted to send you a private message but it doesnt work. anyway just holler if you have any more questions, k. id be glad to help you out. im scheduled to take the exam this sept, and il sure keep you posted on how things go for me. wish me luck. looks like im going to need it. :smokin:

Those fees are cheap. In the rest of Canada the exams are over $600 and if you fail, you fail and get to pay the entire amount again.

hi nicole, yes we got paid. :yeah:

about the 500cad exam fee - you have to pay 498$ - here's how it works though - if you fail the exam, they give you back 325$ ($175 is the actual cost to take the exam)-- and if you pass, they keep the whole amount because this would (from my understanding) be used to cover your registration in the quebec roll.

i wanted to send you a private message but it doesnt work. anyway just holler if you have any more questions, k. id be glad to help you out. im scheduled to take the exam this sept, and il sure keep you posted on how things go for me. wish me luck. looks like im going to need it. :smokin:

Thanks so much for the info, Mia.. At least they give you something back when you fail.. But I'm really praying that we could nail the exams on the first take.. :D

A letter from the OIIQ came in the mail today.. They were asking me to register for the French exams already.. Whew.. Guess I'm not prepared for that yet.. It's a good thing though that there is no fee for that exam.. I wonder if it's something similar with the IELTS.. You think?

How was your integration program, MIA?

Was it difficult?

Were you required to do nursing care plans, etc?

About the pay, how much were you paid? :D

For your exam preparation, have you joined any study group? Are there such in Montreal?

So sorry for bugging you with these questions.. I'm just edgy and still have many questions in my mind that are waiting to go berserk.. Please be patient with me.. Lol..

Good luck with your exams.. Do keep me posted please.. :) Thank you..

Hi,I applied for Quebec immigration but I would like to know if the nursing board in quebec is the same as the other provinces or not and which book to use.

Thank you

Another question,if my immigration's paper still at the beginning I can still send my application to nursing board in quebec?because they ask aboutthe file number in the application.

Waiting your answers

Hi Mia,

First of all, thanks for your postings and sharing helpful information for fellow Filipino nurses, I am sure, other nationalities are able to use the information as well. I am new here in Montreal and I am trying to find information; I am grateful to have read your postings. I found it through googling ``new RNs in Montreal``. I have completed my temporary permit application and I was advised by OIIQ that my permit will be released once I can provide them my employment start date and workplace. I have tried applying to McGill but I was denied because my french is not even up to basic level, and also I was away from the acute care setting now for almost 2 years. I completed my BSN in Vancouver, BC and had under a year of experience in acute care then I worked at a rehab centre. at as for now, i am taking basic french, would you please, when you get a chance be able to provide me information about St. Mary`s. I visited their website and there are few job postings, but before i send my resume, i would like to ask you if the human resources at St Mary`s is the same as the McGill University Health Centre? If you could also please provide me more info about the integration program. I hope everything is well with you. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks in advance.

Hi rnaffah,

Just like what Mia posted in reply Chantelle questions about immigration application, yes, i think it would be best to start your application to OIIQ the soonest, if i remeber correctly, the Order will keep your file for a year, so as soon as you submit the application form, the OIIQ will send you a confirmation with a file number. Good luck to both of your immigration and OIIQ application.

Hi Chantelle,

You mentioned that you might come to Montreal in October if things did not work out about you calling the OIIQ, i hope you are getting the information you need from the OIIQ and also the support from the staff; i find that the staff are really helpful.

Hi Jopin,

Welcome to Montreal! I really hope you're enjoying your stay here.. :) Also, congratulations on your temporary permit!

Your level is way bit more advanced than what I'm in right now so I don't have much to say about it.. :( But I'm happy you're already part of Quebec's workforce.. (Unlike me who still have to go under the grueling process of paper works and integrations).. All I know is that, you can already work with your permit and have 2 years lee way, from the time you receive your invitation, to take the nursing exams..

St. Mary's Hospital is a really nice place to start.. At least it's a bilingual institution.. When I went there, I was advised to send my resume online and call the human resource officer after a day or two to follow up on it..

I really wish you luck, Jopina.. Oh, I haven't applied for the French exam yet.. I'm taking my sweet time to learn the language first.. :) For more queries, just feel free to post.. The staff around here are helpful too.. Good luck again!:D

Mia,

So far, no luck in St. Mary's for me.. The program's full until next year so I'll be enrolling for the integration program in a CEGEP instead.. :( It may take long but I really hope it could help me alleviate my anxieties regarding our soon-to-be roles as nurses here in Quebec..

Have you taken the exams yet? How was it? I forgot to wish you luck.. :) Congratulations in advanced if you passed! :)

Hi Nicole,

Thanks for your prompt reply. I have taking advantage to post so i will be able to send PM soon.

I have not gotten my permit yet until i find a job. i am taking basic french at mcgill`s continuing education, part time only, how about you? are you taking french course at the moment? good for you for taking your sweet time in learning the language, i will try, i do enjoy learning the language but at times i feel anxious because i do miss working, i am realizing how much i really miss nursing, i left BC on May and its only been almost 5 months, but if feels like a year already. wish you all the luck as well.

hi jopin,

you're an RN in BC? i guess you don't have to go through the loooong process that me and nicole have to go through? good for you! lol. about st. mary's, nicole is right, it's a bilingual/multi-lingual hospital, prides itself on its multi-racial community, speaking i-forgot-how-many-languages in total. we do get some purely french patients, and it IS tres important to know french, but, you can get by with just english to begin with, and learn french as you go along. The language most often used, in charting, doctor's notes, in official meetings, is english. So you can get by, no problem. If you're an RN in BC, and just need the endorsment to practice in quebec, there shouldnt be much of a problem finding work (i think). with the french requirement, it might help to be enrolled in a french class when you apply. i should think the HR department of any hospital will appreciate that you intend to learn the language at least. :p aside from st. mary's there are a number of hospitals in the montreal area. if your previous experience is in rehab, and want to pursue this, you might try catherine booth or richardson hospital. i'm not much of an expert on this, because i've only been here barely a year myself. ;) but im just telling you what i do know. and just send out an application to st. mary's. if you're really interested, then email your resume, and hand-carry a paper copy just in case they don't get the email :clown:. talk to the HR department, and ask in person. They're quite nice there. When i applied, i had 0 experience, fresh graduate from the Phils, no french, but i did call everyday. lol.

Anyway, I know you'll find work soon enough. They need nurses here. Keep us posted ok!

PS. Why are you moving to montreal from vancouver? (a lof of nurses here want to move to vancouver!)

Hi Mia,

Thanks for your prompt reply. I really appreciate it. I moved here because my boyfriend accepted a job at St Luke. Just like you said there should be much of a problem looking for a job as a nurse due to the shortage and I did complete my education here and I already have an experience for almost three years. I did inquire from McGill and Jewish General (there were the only hospital I was aware of, so i am really grateful you have provided more info, much appreciated) before moving here and i got an impression that it won`t be easy to get a job, but like i mentioned McGill declined my application due to lack of french and acute care. I am still awaiting to hear from the Jewish General Hospital because the manager at the unit i wish apply at was on vacation and then when she got back, i was advised there was no position available in that unit, so my resume is now forwarded to another unit. By the way, which unit are you working and how is the patient-nurse ratio in your unit? I have so much more questions but I try not to bombared you for gazillion of then all at once. I hope you don`t mind.

hi nicole, yes, i just did the exams two weekends ago :eek:, will have to wait 8 weeks for the results! i hope i pass. lol. anyway, pass or fail, i'd give you my general impression of the quebec exam. I have already taken and passed both the phils boards and the nclex. and.... the quebec exam in comparison, maybe the easiest. :monkeydance: i'm not sure i passed, ok. lol. if i don't pass, i will take it again, the next time i know what to expect. but there wasn't much information about the exam going around before i took it. so i had nooo idea what exaclty it was all about. it's just that i was surprised how different it is from what i imagined it would be.

The exam format is different, the quebec exam is two parts, first part will be the OSCE (practical) and then the 2nd is the written part. if you're doing the cegep, you'll have more experience with the osce. they do mock-osce's in nursing school here, i think.

i realized now that it is very important to have hospital experience in the quebec setting to get the general feel for what the OIIQ wants, specially for international graduates. my two months of integration here really helped. The osce has 16 stations, they hired actors to play simulated clients. there's an observer for every station, who's there to check how you intervene in each scenario. The most important thing i think, is, they test the communication skills and how the would-be-nurse reacts in each situation. The scenarios are quite simple. For example, a patient contemplating suicide. You don't know this at first when you go into the room, and on first contact. You have to get the patient to verbalize this intent. If you were to write down the answer for the question - "what do you do with a suicidal patient" - it will ake you maybe 5 minutes and be soo easy. But try communicating with a "patient," while a stern-looking woman watches you on the side. :bluecry1:

Or try another scenario of a patient on isolation. Teaching is another component of the exam. What do you teach a patient with DVT (deep vein thrombosis)... you might know that they're not supposed to cross the legs but...it's how you deliver the whole spiel without sounding awkard. lol. So that's the osce. Questions are simple. But not very easy if you bend under pressure. :jester:

With the written part of the exam... it was...not so hard... if you took the phils board exam...with 500 question, covering topics from the scientific name of sambong to vaccination schedules... or the nclex with minimum 75 questions and you have to memorize antidotes and presenting symptoms... you will understand why i was surprised by the written part of the quebec exam. this one has 100 questions, 50 items in the morning, and another 50 items in the afternoon. each part for 2 and a half hours. yes, it's open ended type. The questions are very basic, but quite tricky. They give a scenario, with followup questions. Mrs. X fell. Give 3 interventions to prevent Mrs. X from falling next time. (SO, that's 50-3 more questions to go.) Looks simple too, but you take the exam in a hugeeee room with all the other examinees.

It was stressful, the exam. I was exhausted after. More from the anxiety of the unknown. lol. I suggest you get a hold of the OIIQ reviewer they're selling for 50$ to get a feel for it.

I hope I pass! :D will let you know! :chair:

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