Questions about trauma I witnessed. (LONG)

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On the way into work on Sunday, I came upon an accident scene before the paramedics arrived. I'm a new RN, with less than a year of experience (no trauma experience), and I'm still a bit shaken by the whole thing.

A woman had been thrown from a motorcycle, and was lying face-down on the pavement. She was unconscious, had a compound fracture of the femur, blood coming from her mouth and nose (helmet was intact), and her spine was twisted in such a manner to indicate that a spinal cord injury was likely. There was also some tan matter coming from either the mouth or nose. My first thought was OMG, that's brain tissue. But now I wonder if it was just vomit.

There was another RN on the scene (we were just a couple blocks from the hospital). She supposedly worked in ER. She claimed the victim had a pulse and respirations, and was phoning into work to tell them she'd be late, and that the victim would be arriving soon. She told me they were not going to move the victim, due to the potential SCI. The victim's husband was holding pressure on the leg wound.

I only had a minute or so before the paramedics arrived, but it felt like an eternity. The woman looked dead. The only thing I did was offer to hold pressure for the husband, who was trembling almost uncontrollably (he rufused). I felt the victim's rib cage for respirations, and felt none.

I read in the newspaper on Monday that the woman died "of her injuries" at the hospital.

I keep wondering if I should/could have done more. The other RN acted confident, but she wasn't doing anything for the patient. I wonder if she knew the patient was hopeless or dead, and just didn't want to traumatize the husband by performing CPR in the field.

I have so many questions. I feel like I was completely useless, and I never want to feel that way again. I don't know who else to ask these questions, so I'm hoping those of you with trauma experience can help:

* Did the other RN recognize this as a hopeless case? If so, Is it ever appropriate to do nothing?

* Should I have reassessed the patient myself? I'm thinking that even if the victim had a pulse when initially assessed, in such a horrific trauma, she could have arrested at any time.

* In general, is an unconscious/unresponsive patient more likely to have a pulse/respirations? Or more likely not to?

* Is it likely that was brain tissue? (Not to be gruesome, but what would I expect brain tissue to look like? I've only ever seen it "preserved.")

* If it was brain tissue, is there any point in resuscitation efforts?

* Should I have remained on the scene after the paramedics arrived? If so, what would my role have been?

My first task on Monday was to put together a kit to keep in my car, in case this type of thing ever happens again. I want to be as prepared as possible, so please tell me what I should keep in the car. So far, I have a small backpack with: CPR mask, stethoscope, tourniquet, disposable gloves, ABD pads, and VetWrap (had it in the barn!). I'm thinking I should have some Emergency notecards, too, with instructions for care.

Thanks for listening. I really need to talk this out.

I want to start off by saying how proud I am of the way you handled the this trauma. You stopped and offered assistance and that alone is a great thing. I worked in an er a few years back, as a tech, and had a very similar situation. My sister and I were a few minutes from home and came across a fresh accident, woman vs semi. I told my sister to stay in the car (younger and no medical expierence) and to call 911. I got out to find the woman covered with coats from waist down, husband standing beside hew screaming "help her, help her" and another passerby (young guy maybe 18) holding the husband. Now understand I'd seen lot's of trauma, but we get it neatly packaged on a backboard with all our supplies at hand. I start the the basic's (no resp, no pulse and lot's of blood) and procede to do cpr. Shortly after, ems rolls up, shp pulls husband away and they call her. Turns out( I didn't know about the semi at the time) they had car trouble and she had stepped out from behind the car right into the path of the semi. The coats were covering the fact that she had been twisted in two almost. I still remember everything as it was really traumatic for me and took me along time to get over it. I still think of it from time to time and it always makes me wish I could have done more. Sometimes though I believe any effort is better than none, even the futile kind.

the most horrible feeling is being an experience er nurse and being completely helpless in the field. no c collar, iv pack, O2 of any kind, or airways of any kind.

there's not a lot you can do until the right equipment arrives.

in any event, you did what you could, and couldn't in any way have changed the outcome. destiny took this lady. the helplessness feeling is normal. you could have a trunk full of abd pads and still not prepared for the next tragedy.

Specializes in FNP, Peds, Epilepsy, Mgt., Occ. Ed.

ps consider getting some debrief counseling it can and does help.

Please, do get some counseling.

A few years ago I was a passenger in a car that hit a small child. It was dark, he was in the middle of the street with two adults and he darted out in front of us. Hitting him was absolutely unavoidable. The car was going 35-40 MPH at the time.

We stopped immediately and I got out and ran back to see who we'd hit. I didn't even know it was a child until then. No blood, no visible trauma, but he'd vomited and I knew looking at him that he was dead. Several other people stopped and a police officer was there right away; CPR was started but he was gone.

That's been about 5 years ago now but I still have a really bad week or two around the time of year it happened, and I wasn't even the driver. We had a lot of support at the time but it still bothers me. I know that we could not avoid the accident and that there was nothing I could do but it still bothers me. Most of the year I'm fine but I'd just as soon sleep through that couple of weeks. Get some help from someone who knows how to help you deal with that.

There isn't much you can do without any equipment. What could you have done other than wait for the paramedics?

Sometimes we can witness things that we don't understand, and possibly won't for years, until you have more experience and knowledge. Maybe if you write it all down and put it away for awhile, looking at it months or even years from now. Not that you'll forget it, but details will be missing unless you write it down. This kind of traumatic event will be rattling around in your brain for a long long time. You did the best you could at the time. You have nothing to feel bad about. Even if that other nurse was a seasoned ER nurse, you can bet your bottom dollar she was unnerved as well as you---when she got there she was alone and had none of the fancy ER equipment or co-workers to help her. You both did the best you could. I would assume that was the truth and leave it at that. And say a prayer for the poor husband.

Specializes in Peds Cardiology,Peds Neuro,Pedi ER,PICU, IV Jedi.
Agreed and understood. But I also understood from the other RN that the patient WAS breathing and pulsatile. I still think I probably should have done my own assessment, though.

You are absolutely correct, and as any good provider knows, baseline assessments are just a starting point...reassessment is critical in management of anything, whether trauma or medical in nature.

Regardless of how twisted the spine looked, the patient was laying face down...not a good position to be treated in, save for the expiration of vomitus. No airway = death. Compromised C spine?= possible wheelchair.

So we hold c spine and turn the patient. Assessment becomes much easier when we can deal with the most important areas of assessment ...A..B..C..

I'm so very sorry you had to deal with this situation. Bless you for stopping to render aid. It's obvious not everyone feels your sense of duty and compassion, and for that you show you genuinely care. Thank you.

Take care of yourself. You did what you could.

vamedic4

Specializes in Emergency.

Live brain tissue also has a semi-liquid, tapioca-like consistency (sorry for grossing out the tapioca thing). In an open head injury, it's not like the brain or parts thereof just sort of plop out of the head in perfect formation. It either drools out of the wound or is spread over the surrounding area, depending on the nature of the trauma. I know this from personal experience.

Before I became a nurse, I was first on-scene at a horrific MVA in which the driver had her brains literally bashed out. I mean they were just everywhere- on the windshield, all over the cab of her van, and out of the massive hole in her head. It was a creamy pink-white color. I remember distinctly ( I wish I could forget) that it was runny. So you may very well have seen brain matter coming out of this woman's nose and mouth, if the HI was catastrophic enough- which seems to be the case.

Specializes in Trauma, Teaching.

There wasn't really anything you could do except ABCs, with CSpine precautions. I would recommend taking TNCC, the trauma nurse course. They teach you how to logroll, hold c-spine and assess for ABCs, pretty much simultaneously. If the ER nurse told you there was resps and pulse, then not moving is much much better until you get enough people to truly log roll and have a collar available.

I stopped at a scene long before I became an ER nurse. Fellow stepped out in front of a pickup, literally knocked his shirt up over his head. I held his neck in position, while we uncovered his face, he started up with spontaneous resps after that. Had a woman say since he was breathing we needed to turn him on his side in case of vomiting! CPR rules, but not trauma! (c-spine wasn't taught back then). He didn't make it either, that much trauma is just too much to overcome.

Don't beat yourself up, take TNCC to go along with the kit in your car, and find someone to talk to face to face about this.

God bless.

Specializes in Rural.

Hi, first off I am very sorry you came upon a scene like that unexpected. It is always easier to deal with injuries in a controlled environment.

I have to agree with jbudd, out off all the classes I have taken, TNCC was the one course I walked away with the greatest amount of information, especially better assessment skills. I am the trauma care coordinator in a basic level trauma center, it is mandatory for our RN's to take TNCC, but I recommend it to our LPN's also, just for the great assessment skills that they can gain from the course.

Bless you

I think the truth is unless you are in a controlled environment there just isn't much you can do. When I was in nursing school I was the first on the scene of a horrible accident that claimed the life of a nine year old boy. The boy's parents and brother were also severely injured. It took me years to come to terms with what I witnessed. Since that time I have worked in large trauma ER's and have seen some horrific stuff but nothing has ever impacted me like that accident. I have even done "ride alongs" with paramedics and again somehow things didn't effect me in the same way...I was prepared somehow. Anyway, two RN's also stopped at the scene of the accident and were literally sucking vomit out of the little boys mouth while preforming mouth-to-mouth. I could not have done that and still couldn't (I hate even admitting that, but it is the truth). I do carry a pocket mask and some gloves now.

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