Verbal Abuse from surgeons in the OR - page 7
Just curious... How commonly do you OR nurses out there experience verbal abuse and/or disruptive behavior from surgeons? How do you or your facility deal with this issue? In the facility... Read More
Mar 29, '09Occupation: OR Staff Nurse Specialty: Perioperative Nursing ; From: AZ ; Joined: Mar '09; Posts: 18; Likes: 22Our OR management and administrators pays lip service to having zero tolerance for verbal abuse from anyone not just surgeons. I think this year since one of the patient safety goals deals with verbal abuse that the university hospital will start to enforce their "zero tolerance" policy. After working in the OR for over 25 years I have no tolerance for any verabal or non verbal abuse. I decided from now on I will write an anonymous incident report that will go to risk management as well as the OR director. I am going to encourage my colleagues to do the same. Once they start receiving enough of these reports admin will need to start ramping up their zero tolerance campaign and stop pretending to care about verbal abuse.
Apr 14, '09Specialty: 25 year(s) of experience in ICU, operating room ; Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 2; Likes: 1Quote from DawnRN36That is assualt with a deadly weapon and you would be advised to contact risk mgt., and if they don't listen a lawyer. Completely unprofessional and unaceptable irregardless of how "nice" the surgeon isHi I am new to this board but I am in desperate need of some advice about an incident that happened in our OR. The surgeon I am familiar with but does not practice at our OR all the time was doing a lap chole, and long story made short he was "playing around" with the suction irrigator squirting it on the drapes AFTER he used this same instument to suck blood and bile, etc from the patient. It was causing backsplash, and I put my hands up, turned my head and leaned away saying DR!! when he pointed the darn thing at me and squirted me..hitting me in the side of the face with it and dripping inside my mask. I stepped back from the table, just basically in shock, he said "oh, did i get you" and I said yes you got me its on my face and in my mask..as I was disrobing he was saying he was sorry but I was about to blow. I walked out to the charge nurses office and was so angry crying I couldn't breathe...she "talked me down" then it was back to work b/c we are so short staffed and very busy that day. The next day I contacted the employee health nurse, who was very rude to me and my concerns, but I did have HIV, HepC and the hepsurface antibodies drawn. My concerns: no one from administration or my nurse manager has come to me yet to address this. This is really a very nice dr and I truly believe in my heart he was just trying to be goofy, not malicious, and it backfired in a big way. I mean it when I say I believe he is sorry but sorry doesn't help ease my mind. For example, the EHS nurse told me to be "professional" when I was crying, that we are at risk for things to happen.....I told her I am prepared and well aware of risks involved in my job but not crap like this. THen she tells me I am being upset too soon to just "put it out there" then the next sentence..pick up a box of condoms on your way home since you have been exposed. I asked her...how is a box of condoms going to help my small children? I shouldn't have to be dealing with this. I am so sick with worry I am not sleeping, my husband is having an absolute fit. I talked with the medical staff director today, who seemed genuinely concerned, and has promised to look into it. I think I am going crazy.....and help advice anything .... am I over reacting?
Apr 15, '09Occupation: Clinical Nurse Specialty: 6 year(s) of experience in Operating Room Nursing ; From: AU ; Joined: Oct '07; Posts: 1,390; Likes: 2,127Dawn I would refuse to scrub or even scout for a surgeon who doesn't understand the basics of infection control and safe handling of bodily fluids.
I've heard a lot of verbal abuse, most of it's just whinging and complaining. Some surgeons can get downright nasty. I haven't seen a surgeon get physical, but I've seen an anaesthetists assault a nurse. I'm waiting for the day when a surgeon throws an instrument because whether I'm scrubbed or circulating, I will remove the instrument trolley from them to prevent staff injuries even if it means deliberately contaminating instruments.
Apr 15, '09Occupation: Staff of Nursing Committee Specialty: 30 year(s) of experience in General ; From: Other ; Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 71; Likes: 48In our Hosp, surgeon complaint is OK. Happens everywhere. But when it comes to verbal abuse, assaulting, or throwing any instrument, the OR staff may come to me as nursing supervisor. Then we make verbal or written report to the hosp admin. The surgeon will be called up and get some friendly advice from him. If he did it again and the nurses objected him sure the surgeon will be kicked out. It happenned already to some surgeon. I'm happy to see that.
Doctor and nurse retention is important but more important to keep the work climate in an optimal condition. We need doctors but we surely want friends.
Any issue about patient safety might decrease.
Apr 16, '09Occupation: RN Specialty: OR, HH ; Joined: Mar '07; Posts: 196; Likes: 40I worked in a prominent hosp on Pasa, CA and worked with two surgeons who were absolutely horrible.
Both are probably in their 60's and need to retire. The female surgeon (peds)was calling everyone stupid, and she was so off the wall my scrub tech passed out (and she is no wimp, she ended up contacting an atty to file a lawsuit against the surgeon). The male surgeon (ortho) was such a jerk I was waiting for him to have a stroke.
Jul 22, '11Joined: Mar '08; Posts: 61; Likes: 14Got out of it. I was surg tech for 11 years and then became an RN. Natural progression seemed to have it that I got hired right out of the hat to the OR as a circulator. It was a role change, and I had to learn it like everyone else, but because they didn't give me a chance to learn my new job and wanted me to be able to just waltz in after a couple of weeks and "get it" I was hounded. I was hounded by my nurse educator, by the other nurses and staff and I swore if I heard one more time..."BUT YOU WERE A SCRUB TECH" with that pitiful pained look on their faces I was gonna snap. And I did. I quit after another one of those "meet me in my office" routines I had gotten so weary of, and now I am happy to say that I am working in a low key plastic surgeons office where we get to do surgery twice a week in a very non-judgemental atmosphere, it was here that I proved to myself an everyone else that I CAN do this job where I am embraced and nurtured in my new role. I have the best of both worlds as I've learned Laser skin tightening and hair reduction and I also pre-op patients so I get the IV's started and all the pre-op skills down. Its actually been perfect and that huge hospital actually did me a favor by being jerks, and don't even get me started on the ***hole surgeons I had to deal with.