The Circumcision Discussion - page 7
I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My... Read More
Jun 27, '03Joined: Jul '00; Posts: 11,351; Likes: 388LOL!!
I have just always thought that was the dumbest reason to circumcize. Like boys actually stand around the locker room looking and comparing turtlenecks vs helmuts?! That could be the new way for making up sports teams in gym class. "All the turtlenecks on this side. Helmuts, you're at bat!!!"
Jun 27, '03Occupation: Nurse Consultant Specialty: 24 year(s) of experience in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych ; Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 3,105; Likes: 49Too much imagary happening here... ...that's enough. (I'll be good, now)
Jun 27, '03Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 268; Likes: 13This article is a few years old but is still the best argement I've seen AGAINST circumcision. Includes photos and interviews with men who were circ'ed as adults
Sorry I don't know how to insert a hyperlink.
Jun 27, '03Joined: Mar '03; Posts: 150I just want to say, my husband is not circumcised, he is also not gross ....
I know that male circumcision is not the same as FGM but the parents that do that to their little girls use the same arguments to justify it, "it is tradition, I am done I want my daughter to be too, society will ridicule or shun her" when we hear that argument we get outraged, "how can they do that to their children"
I really don't get why it is ok to remove a normal funtioning part of a healthy body
Jun 28, '03Occupation: R.N. Specialty: 27 year(s) of experience in cardiac, diabetes, OB/GYN ; Joined: Feb '02; Posts: 1,947; Likes: 418I have three sons and none of them are circumcised...I elected to have them be the ones who made the decision especially since it involved such a sensitive area...My husband, who is circumcised, listened to my concerns and went along with the decision...
Jun 28, '03Occupation: R.N. Specialty: 27 year(s) of experience in cardiac, diabetes, OB/GYN ; Joined: Feb '02; Posts: 1,947; Likes: 418From the beginning of time, most cultures did not do circs...There was no need. I think it is a personal thing and of course people should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to hack off a portion of their body, especially with regard to sexual sensitivity....If a 15 year old boy decided to choose to have a circ in order to look like everyone else in the lockeroom, someone has not done a good enough job of promoting his self esteem..Unless his health becomes an issue, that decision is one best made with lots of research into the area BY the teen AND his parents....So, I take issue with the comment about whether or not a person would give a child a choice later in life after they have viewed an adult circ....Maybe we should do vasectomies too as infants so the choices can be made by us for them...I know that is totally different..My oldest has absolutely no issues with it and he is 21...The other little ones (kids, that is ) are healthy and taught how to care for themselves...I appreciate the research, opinions and such, but it is a personal decision, and in my mind, just as much a personal choice as female circumcision is NOT allowed, in most countries....I think if you want it to look pretty and have valid views in one direction or the other, than do what you think is right....I did....Glad I made the choice....Glad those of you who chose to have your sons submit to it are happy with your choices also...
Jul 1, '03Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 41,761; Likes: 48,081Originally posted by Anagray
<< "Well, its gross.">>
I am wondering, why he thinks that having foreskin is gross? Kids usually form opinions based on what they are taught.
Out here in the "west" by the way, my kids say most boys are circumcised. So maybe it just looks funny to them because it is different.
And remember, I'm the one who did NOT want them circ'd. Their DAD did. And THEY are glad they are. I guess my thoughts were that most guys seems to appreciate being circ'd and so maybe we are worrying about nothing.
Hey, I'm on the side of those who are against circumcision.
Jul 2, '03Joined: Mar '03; Posts: 150I know Steph, I am glad that your son is happy about what you have done .. it would be absolutely horrible otherwise... what I would like is for the norm to be changed as there is no medical reason to do it as far as I understand...
over here they may, in very rare cases, have to do a late circumcision but it is then done with full pain relief. It is also allowed for strict religous reasons.. it is definately not concidered the norm.
you were saying that most men are glad they don't have a foreskin, but I think that that may be because of cultural influence rather than anything else ... they have nothing to compare with really as they have never had one and don't know one it feels?...
I really hope you don't feel I am being agressive about this, I just want to give you a view of a culture where boys are kept the way they were born and think anything else is strangeLast edit by Diana in Sweden on Jul 2, '03
Jul 2, '03Occupation: RN Specialty: 8 year(s) of experience in ER,med-surg, LTC, psych, dialysis ; From: US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 338; Likes: 43Steph, I appologize, I should have explained myself better. I did not mean to imply that YOU taught the kids that. I meant that the environment/culture influenced the way he feels about that issue.
For years people here were taught that intact = dirty, so it still lingers on.
I imagine it was a very diffifcult issue for you to deal with when the kids were born, especially when there was no support from med.community. I didn't mean to offend you.
Jul 2, '03Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 41,761; Likes: 48,081Diana and Anagray . . . oh my goodness, no offense taken. Just wanted to clear up any misunderstanding.
I'm not easily offended.
Jul 2, '03Joined: Mar '03; Posts: 150nice to hear it Steph
so good to have a nice intelligent conversation, thank you !
Jul 2, '03Occupation: RN, Assistant Director Psychiatric Services Joined: Jan '03; Posts: 107; Likes: 6Nursee, I don't know where you are getting your figures from, but you should double check them before you involve a whole country. You stated that Canada was one of the countries mostly intact. In my years there working, NOT. The uncircumsed male of any age was the exception, not the rule. In the 90's circumcision was a routine part of newborn care. The odd mother who refused was considered extreemly strange at the time.
Jul 2, '03Joined: Jul '00; Posts: 11,351; Likes: 388It isn't the norm here in my part of Canada. It is not covered by our provincial health plan and so few parents who don't feel strongly pay for it.