Nursing Home Supervisor challenges with WOUND CARE

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Hello everyone,

I'm in SERIOUS need of advice, please. I started a nursing home supervisor job in the summer of 2017 and, even though I've been a charge nurse in my 22+ year career, this supervisory role is new for me. I have a more laissez faire type management style and I'm working on becoming more respectable as a manager. I can only do so much, it feels like, though. I have a dual role in my job and I'm a wound care nurse at my facility as well.

The LPNs are supposed to do weekly skin assessments on their assigned group of residents and that doesn't always happen. Months ago, I let everyone know that corrective actions would start happening if they didn't do them and print them out for me to review... it didn't seem to matter. I still get 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 3 in a 5-week review period. So, for those who I notice only do their assessments sporadically, I've done corrective actions. One nurse has pushed me to do 2 on her within the last 4 months. She has a HORRIBLE attitude anyway... So, fine. NOW I'm having issues with the nurses not doing their dressing changes-- they sign them off to be done but don't actually change the dressings. I had to write up 4 people for this last week. All of them had excuses and said they "meant to do them but forgot" or "the computer changed the entry from an "N" for "not done" to" their initials accidentally. Do you believe that??? Insert *eye roll* here. So I'll have to keep a check on this very closely from now on. I can't believe they don't understand the seriousness of this neglect. Because that's exactly what it is... !!!

My main dilemma and why I'm posting for advice is in regards to my CNAs and the fact that I can't get them to consistently use heel protectors, float heels, turn people off their backs and use pillows (that's so BASIC!!!!) and I've even implemented the use of disposable foam wedges to turn our residents with actual wounds on their backsides OFF of their bottoms. I can't get them to use them consistently. Some units are good about it and some just like to keep them on the resident's chair, on the floor or lying beside them in the bed but not actually UNDER them where it's actually doing the person any GOOD.

There are 3 shifts and I'm only there for 10 hours a day, 4 days a week. I've asked for the help of unit managers and for other supervisors but they also have their own jobs that they are trying to juggle. The DON said that it's the LPNs responsibility, as well as the CNA's, to make sure the resident is being cared for properly. I understand that... but how the heck do I drive home the seriousness and that there are consequences to their not doing what they are supposed to do? I don't even think they would care if I wrote them up to the point where it was a final warning. I don't even think HR would let someone get fired over not using a foam wedge. But then it's MY responsibility. I'm just at a loss and need advice from someone who is maybe going through something like this or who has gone through this in the past. What have YOU done??? What works to make people 1) CARE and 2) do what you ask of them?????

I organize the inservices for the CNAs every month and even when the inservice isn't about pressure ulcers, I still mention this as being super important. YES, we have agency CNAs and LPNs as fill ins but they aren't always the problem. :( It's our own staff as well.

Thank you so much!

I worked for a year ltc. Too many pts. that needed special care with wounds and such plus giving tons of meds in various forms, dementia patients, o2 dependant patients. I tried getting through all the required needs of patients and was labeled as not having good time management skills. Other nurses, who mgmt. didn't have a problem with, I know firsthand were charting that meds and treatments were being done when they weren't. It really wears you down over time and I had to get out of that job.

That being said, overworked and underpaid equals poor staff morale and a feeling of indifference over time.

Perhaps you could get more done if you offered incentives instead of punishments? A feeling of we're all in this together and ways of getting the job done together would help. Make a chart for yourself to check off of the patients that need various protectors and wound changes and make the rounds every day. Give incentives and praise for jobs well done. Ask how can i help you get this done. Over time with this routine people will react accordingly. If you make it your priority they will make it theirs also. It's human nature. I have always reacted poorly to punishments but I'll work my butt off for someone who gives me praise and thinks I'm doing a good job.

Oh, I agree with you 100%!!! I've worked at this facility since last summer (2017) and I've only written people up 5 times (one of those 5 was the same nurse twice because she keeps "forgetting" to do her skin assessments). It's not something that I routinely do but the reason for it most recently is because we have had an F-tag for someone not doing dressing changes in the past.. and if you've had an F-tag for something and it happens again... it's even more serious. So... the rationale is: We aren't playing! I'm not "write up happy" by any means... and when something is being done well, I DO tell people so. Whenever wounds are healing, etc... I make a big deal about it and tell the CNAs and the LPNs. I try to keep them updated on the residents that they care for on a daily basis.

As far as incentives go, I wanted to have a "lunch on me" incentive but that got shot down for various reasons... the DON and Administrator had a meeting about it. Also, I'm told there was a $500 incentive drawing given out some years ago for people who came to work on time for an extended period of time. LOL There's discussion about incentives but it's a slow process in getting in started, I think.

One of the LPNs was asking me to bring doughnuts one weekend as a thank you to them for all that they do... told me that the other supervisor did that for them sometimes. You know, it's discouraging because... in one way, I feel like I could bring them a bag with 1 million $1 bills in it and it still wouldn't be enough... and on the other hand... what if it did help to make small gestures like that? I just don't want to be taken advantage of. :( And the nurse who asked me about bringing them doughnuts has one of the crappiest attitudes that I've ever come across and has diarrhea of the mouth on an hourly basis... She's always talking about how rude people are but she really needs to hold up a mirror to her face. So that's not super-motivating to ME to bring her doughnuts. :(

Specializes in EMS, LTC, Sub-acute Rehab.
There are 3 RNs that work in this facility. The rest of the nursing staff is composed of LPNs and CNAs. An RN has to be in the building at least 8 hours each day of the week. I work 4 10-hr shifts per week. I am not the DON or the ADON. They are the OTHER 2 RNs. The DON works 5 days a week, 8-hr shifts. An RN has to be there the rest of the days, for at least 8 hours, and these people do need supervision. There are sicker residents in the nursing homes these days... some with PICC lines and other special cases. LPNs have basic training as nurses so I actually take pride in the fact that we can handle some things that other facilities in the "olden days" couldn't handle because we have other staff with more training. I know that you haven't heard of a nursing home supervisor but that doesn't mean that it can't exist or isn't useful. Yes, I'm part of administration but it's not "part of my problem" as I actually go out on the units and participate when I'm not documenting, writing orders for wound care, working on inservices, speaking to family members or residents, etc. I do wound care and staff development training for the CNAs so that they can keep their yearly certifications up. I have many hats that I wear and TRUST ME... I stay busy the entire shift that I'm there. I can't always stomp the halls like I'd like to do. There are unit managers on each unit and they are LPNs. They also work 8-hr shifts. They are there as a resource person. We also have a night nursing supervisor and she works M-F 3-11 shift. She's an LPN and she does admits and helps the other staff, as well. So chalk our facility up to being unique, if you will. NOW you've heard of a nursing home supervisor. Welcome to 2018. ;)

As far as being a hospital nurse who now works in LTC... I started out in a nursing home in 1996-- that was my first job as an RN, thank you very much. :) There were the EXACT same challenges of people not being turned, changed, etc. I didn't think this job was going to be a cake-walk or "easy."

We didn't have special boots back in 1996 for the residents... we had crappy heel protectors. Thankfully, times have changed and we have more assistive devices to help prevent wounds-- like wedges and open-heeled heel protector boots, etc. Getting people to do their jobs as required is not a new challenge in this life/career. It's the same old struggle. I didn't come into this job thinking it was going to be a bed of roses and I'm not frustrated to the point of quitting. I'm THRILLED to be out of hospital nursing after over 20 years of stomping THOSE halls.

As far as legal action against these people, I have no interest in that at this point. I just had the concerns that I listed in my original post... and wondered what people who have been doing this LONGER than me have done (strategies, tactics, etc.) that may have worked/helped motivate people to actually DO their jobs efficiently/correctly.

Our facility has plenty of staff-- more so than is required by the state, actually. We have never run out of supplies to care for the residents properly, and our Administrator allows us to buy extras for some of the special cases that we have had-- wheelchair cushions, foam wedges, large open-heeled heel protectors boots, etc.

And I'm not doing anything that my career can't handle-- no one is getting turned in to the law/BON over any of this at this stage in the game. :)

I never said a Long Term Care Supervisor wouldn't be useful. Simply that I've never heard of it. It's sounds like a training coordinate, wound nurse, and maybe jack-of-all trades. It's a good idea to have an RN in this position. I'd probably expand it to include discharge teachings. I imagine you can find ways to say game-fully employed with vast amount of regulatory oversight it's a necessary evil.

A few things you failed to mention in your staffing break down:

What is the floor nurse to Pt ratio?

What is the CNA to Pt ratio?

I don't buy all that BS about about adequate staffing ratios from the govt. Quality of care provided to Pts is directly proportional to the number of Nurses and Aids on the floor. Med/surg at most hospitals is 1 nurse to 6-8 Pts. My facility is 1 nurse to 26 Pts. State allows 1:48.

Most of the patients I receive from med/surg don't magically become sub acute after they've had a BM and signed the discharge from the hospital. In fact, many are still acute when they arrive as the chief complaint has only been addressed. Trachs, caths, g-tubes, colostomies, IVs, large medication passes, complex wound treatments and memory care redirects all take massive amounts of time which is also probably a bit different from circa 1990's.

I have 14 minutes to medicate, treat, and assess each patient. Some people take 10 minutes just to swallow pills because we don't have the luxury or IV or IM medications.

So yes, I have the same issues with Pts not being turned, treatments signed off as complete when they're not, medications not being ordered, prepouring, precharting etc... Some nurses just don't give a damn. Others are burnt out, feel undervalued, or practice 'life boat' healthcare by spending time with the Pts who are more viable.

Heavy managerial/ administrative staffing creates overhead which tends to rob the floor budget resulting in few Indians and lots of chiefs. Maybe things are different where you are. Most of the time, we have 1 RN floor nurse per shift to off set that. Administrative nurses are pulled in to fill the gap when the census gets too high or someone calls off. Our ADON over sees wound care and coordinates with the Wound Care Doctor. Unfortunately our Training Coordinate is an LPN and Admissions is a social worker.

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