Nurses are Not Doctors

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An article appeared today in the New York Times as a followup to a bill passed in New York granting nurse practitioners the right to provide primary care without the oversight of a physician. The authors of the bill state "mandatory collaboration with a physician no longer serves a clinical purpose and reduces much-needed access to primary care". The need for more primary care providers is due to the shortage of primary-care physicians, the aging boomer population, and the Affordable Care Act.

Although the president of the American Association of Nurse Practitioners feels that the current "hierarchical, physician-centric structure" is not necessary, many physicians disagree citing that the clinical importance of the physician's expertise is being underestimated and that the cost-effectiveness of nurse practitioners is being over-estimated.

Many physicians also feel that "nurse practitioners are worthy professionals and are absolutely essential to patient care. But they are not doctors."

What are your thoughts on this? Where do nurse practitioners fit into the healthcare hierarchy?

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Specializes in Family Practice, Mental Health.
I have not seen anyone call a DNP 'doctor' in a healthcare setting... Have you?

The proverbial "cow" that the AMA is having over the possibility that it won't be a big deal for a non-physician doctorate to refer to oneself as "Doctor" is pretty much keeping that from being mainstream at the moment.

It's kind of hard to get a doctorate in nursing and be ignorant of social mores in your individual work setting. This is probably why you do not hear "doctor nurse" bandied about.

Specializes in Anesthesia.
I have not seen anyone call a DNP 'doctor' in a healthcare setting... Have you?

Yes, and no one had to have their underwear removed with a crowbar. There wasn't any spontaneous patient deaths or patients that had to be admitted to the psych ward because of all the "confusion" either.

Specializes in FNP, ONP.

Yes, I hear it every day, since that is what people call me, and yes, I admit my own patients to the hospital. It never occurred to me that some NPs might not.

Whatchu talkin bout Willis?

I have seen NPs work harder than the MDs and not get reimbursed from the MD. They get dumped on a lot when they are under a MD's practice. They should be able to function independently from the MD and charge for their services. They are not pretending to be MDs but they are a separate professional category who can function at a MD level. What about the tasks only nurses use to do like taking vital signs, doing blood sugars etc. We have relinquished those to nurse techs---see how the hierarchy of nursing has changed, and the PA's have also emerged through out the years as medical care has become more complex and in demand with the current demographics. When the ACA was passed/created it was done with the intentions that NPs would be able to provide clinics for those who have been underserved, so really the purpose of the NPs is being fulfilled by the passage of the ACA. The government knew what it was doing at the time!!?

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