need help for my application in CGFNS

RNMA15 · Sep 18, 2014

Lizette09,

I don't have all your details, but What do you mean by "concurrency" issue in California? I took the CGFNS in 2005, and NCLEX the following year.

steppybay · Sep 18, 2014

Lizette09,
I don't have all your details, but What do you mean by "concurrency" issue in California? I took the CGFNS in 2005, and NCLEX the following year.

Since Nov. 2011, the CA BRN has been strictly enforcing an old policy that was written in 1987. Ever since that the 2011 date there's been but literally a handful of PH grads and nurses that have been granted either the ATT in CA or able to get thru the endorsement process (from the other 49 states).

Here's a bit more information, click HERE: https://allnurses.com/nurse-registration/position-statement-concurrency-901106.html

There are at least several thousand PH applicants in CA alone unable to get passed the CA BRN evaluations.

But the blame is not the CA BRN's fault by any means, the fingers needs to be pointed at the CHED, PRC and PNA who over the years, chose not to comply with the CA BRN minimum educational requirements.

The main PH agencies simply wanted to take advantage of the "nursing commodity" (for export) and packed the schools to over the top and cram everyone in like cattle while raking in the money so fast, they didn't care about any of the PH students and grads as to whether or not, they went to CA or has desire to make CA their new homeland (CHED reports over 33% of grads head to CA) or stay in the Phils with, at the time, over 300,000 unemployed PH nurses but with many hoping to one day make the trek over the big pond.

The concurrency regulations has also affected those that graduated from the 2004-2005 years to present. Mind you, there are other factors that have also put the ATT out of the reach of many other foreign applicants besides those from the Phils.

As you read of the others here in this forum tab, you'll read of many international students/nurses having to re-take certain courses that's got 1-3 years of a waiting list and students from the UK, Russia, India, China, Canada and others enrolled.

Again, it's NOT brand new rules or laws, simply stronger enforcement of pre-existing policies that are at least a decade or two or three almost OLD.

steppybay · Sep 19, 2014

Lizette09,
I don't have all your details, but What do you mean by "concurrency" issue in California? I took the CGFNS in 2005, and NCLEX the following year.

If you were going to take the NCLEX-RN for the first time in CA or try to endorse an out of state license into CA, you're right at the borderline of either getting approved or declined by the CA BRN in today's evaluation standards.

steppybay · Sep 19, 2014

Back to Lizette09 question...yes, you're not the only one that decided to head over to Hawaii BON for ATT approval, as now that CA now become the "hardest, slowest and expensive" state to become licensed in.

Many others have tried going to NV (also has concurrency rules and some have been affected, some not a problem) or to AZ, just to stay close to CA, but will find out they are unable to endorse back into CA without still meeting the same deficiency that a CA BRN evaluator deemed so.

Years of paid nursing experience will not count towards meeting any of the deficiencies as it's all based on the educational background to be considered for the ATT process.

The other option is to try the LVN-RN route in CA by passing the BVNPT requirements and passing the NCLEX-PN, then try to enroll in a CA LVN-RN nursing program, still not an easy route due to limited slots and high competition not only from other internationals but from the regular CA residents. There's also issues with getting passed the entrance exams of English and math requirements.

RNMA15 · Sep 19, 2014

Thanks for the detailed explanation, Steppybay! Wow, back in the day CA was considered the easiest state for foreign trained! I actually regretted going through Michigan via CGFNS, while those who went the CA way skipped the CGFNS. In addition, I met yet another obstacle when the Visa program for foreign trained RNs and PTs expired on me! "Seasons" keep changing, don't they? :no:

steppybay · Sep 19, 2014

Thanks for the detailed explanation, Steppybay! Wow, back in the day CA was considered the easiest state for foreign trained! I actually regretted going through Michigan via CGFNS, while those who went the CA way skipped the CGFNS. In addition, I met yet another obstacle when the Visa program for foreign trained RNs and PTs expired on me! "Seasons" keep changing, don't they?

Yes, Nabs88, times have certainly changed for sure! CA once thought of the "best state" to quickly apply for the ATT for the many reasons mentioned has become the most difficult state with its strict concurrency enforcement, need to provide a valid working SS# and copy/verification of the PH nursing license or one's country nursing license from which they obtained their BSN.

With the estimated 10,000 PH applicants in CA alone left stranded and with the number growing as more and more uninformed PH nursing students still going to school in the Phils will find the article so true today and most likely over the next decade or even longer: Click to this link below attached: https://allnurses.com/international-nursing/end-phillipine-nursing-885162.html (entitled "End of the Phillipines nursing profession in the States")

There's no longer a "nursing shortage" (never really was) rather it's a job shortage. There was another article that stated in the States alone, they are graduating some near 1,000,000 new grads annually, way more than the estimated demand needed over the next 10 years.

Thus, that's why one rarely sees real hospital sponsorships any more when today's employers can pick and choose the more qualified US candidates from a waiting list of 100's or more.

Why would a hospital want to pay for the expenses of providing a sponsorship when they can already save a lot of money with someone who can be on the job within 1-2-3 weeks vs years? Patients will not wait that long nor will the managers when they need coverage sooner.

The only reason I see is that it could be area where some US nurse doesn't care to work in and hard to attract the right person or that the hospital has a "budget" for one to spend the money or else if it's not spent, they will lose that funding and may not be offered again in the future since it was going to "waste" for lack of a better term.

Btw, I'm a pinay also.

yooniehime, MSN, RN, APRN · Sep 19, 2014

I actually want to do the same thing. I read some post:

https://allnurses.com/nurse-registration/how-applying-cgfns-705920.html

i hope this helps. I just recently passed my LVN. gonna try for NCLEX-RN in hawaii, but I know CGFNS will take atleast 6-12 months.

RNMA15 · Sep 20, 2014

Kamusta, Steppybay! LOL. I have lots of Pinay friends! I am proudly African:laugh:, Nice "meeting" you! Are u in the US or Canada?

RNMA15 · Sep 20, 2014

Yeah, CGFNS is some journey- but its doable. Good thing you hv yr LVN to hang on to while u complete it. Best Wishes!