NC: State puts FSU nursing program on warning status - FayObserver.com

Cherish · Sep 22, 2007

"Violations of state rules came to the board’s attention after 24 of 31 students failed to graduate in May."

Wow I knew that school was having problems but didn't know it was THAT bad.

dreamon · Mar 23, 2008

Any more info on this? Is the school doing better?

merellis2009 · Mar 23, 2008

No, according to WRAL.com last week I believe, the BON visited the school again and although some things were better, they still had some problems. I looked at the documentation that was attached and they said that 1) online information regarding the curriculum didnt match with what was really occurring 2) the clinical nurse instructors were precepting 14 (i think it was 14) students at once when it should be less than 10 3) the BON folks went to check on a class of students only to find no one in there (but a facultymember later informed them that the class had been changed for some reason) 4) students and faculty still reported poor environmental conditions (ie: having to change classrooms in the middle of lecture or test due to scheduling conflicts, etc)

I'm sure if you want to take a look, just go to wraltv.com and enter Fayetteville state nursing in the search engine. All in all, the latest report said that they were still on warning status. I don't know how long it will be before their next inspection though. I sure hope they get it together though. Lord knows, we need more nurses.

dreamon · Mar 24, 2008

Wow thank you for the reply.

Iconoclast · Mar 25, 2008

I'm not suprised. I worked at Cape Fear years ago and we all knew FSU ws BAD bad bad.

HeartJunkie · Jun 13, 2008

I believe that nurses are intelligent people so why do some of them believe everything they read. You all know there is another side to every story. I was one of the first graduates from FSU last year. Yes, that's right, one of the fist seven who did what I was supposed to do and graduate to go on to pass my boards. Yes, our programs had issues that needed to be worked out, many which were due to us being the first class. then, a few students who would not take responsibility for their own incompetence started running to the media. The Fayetteville Observer and staff writer Corey Johnson (gggrrrrr) took it from there. Yes, the state BON needed to know some things. I can guarantee that if the state went into any other school they could also come out with a list of problems. It was just that FSU's was publized throught the media so that the public would say "aawww, poor students who didn't graduate." The paper failed to say that those same students who were complaining were the ones who... came to class 20-30 late, didn't come to clinicals, copy others study guides instead of doing their own, texted during class, made NO effort during clinicals... I could go on for hours! And by the way.. I work at Cape Fear and NO everyone does know that FSU is bad... thank you very much!!!! I would advise everyone to never believe everything you read in the paper... they are only trying to make money like the rest of us... only I can go home with a clear conscience at the end of the day.

As you can see, this topic fires me up so if anyone has any other questions or is thinking about going to FSU I would love to have an INTELLIGENT conversation about it!

egomaniacal1 · Jun 16, 2008

I believe that nurses are intelligent people so why do some of them believe everything they read. You all know there is another side to every story. I was one of the first graduates from FSU last year. Yes, that's right, one of the fist seven who did what I was supposed to do and graduate to go on to pass my boards. Yes, our programs had issues that needed to be worked out, many which were due to us being the first class. then, a few students who would not take responsibility for their own incompetence started running to the media. The Fayetteville Observer and staff writer Corey Johnson (gggrrrrr) took it from there. Yes, the state BON needed to know some things. I can guarantee that if the state went into any other school they could also come out with a list of problems. It was just that FSU's was publized throught the media so that the public would say "aawww, poor students who didn't graduate." The paper failed to say that those same students who were complaining were the ones who... came to class 20-30 late, didn't come to clinicals, copy others study guides instead of doing their own, texted during class, made NO effort during clinicals... I could go on for hours! And by the way.. I work at Cape Fear and NO everyone does know that FSU is bad... thank you very much!!!! I would advise everyone to never believe everything you read in the paper... they are only trying to make money like the rest of us... only I can go home with a clear conscience at the end of the day.
As you can see, this topic fires me up so if anyone has any other questions or is thinking about going to FSU I would love to have an INTELLIGENT conversation about it!

Thank you for your side of the story. I agree that a lot of the issues you report would also come up at other schools. Where we disagree is what other schools would do. The university program I attended would never have stood for all of the antics you described. We actually had a senior nursing student at the end of winter semester - thats right, only one semester left to go - that was ejected from the program for reading a newspaper in clinical.

Nursing is a profession as you know, having done what was expected of you. We are the gate keepers and advocates for people when they can't be for themselves. If what you say is true, your program failed by not setting high standards and enforcing them.

Either way, I have no doubt that it is a learning curve issue. FSU will surely inprove it's standards and graduate more competent professionals. We can be sure because that is what the Board of Nursing is intrusted with doing.

You can also help by making yourself available as a role model and tutor to the next class. Be a vocal supporter of your program, at your job, in public and at FSU. Help them recruit better applicants and enforce higher standards.

P.S. Congrats of being there, doing the right thing and living to tell about it. You may be one of the people who save that infant program and help curtail a nursing shortage in North Carolina. You are to be commended.

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dreamon · Jun 20, 2008

Ok so it is the students to worry about more than the program itself? If classmates are slacking off does that hurt the ones who are there to work?

armyvet · Jun 28, 2008

well I can say the dept chair came from a university in my local area and we have had some of the same antics...so I do believe it, because I experienced it.

No I am not bitter, nor interested in a media frenzy, because that will not solve the problem. Like you Heart I was one of the sucessful students that "handled business" and graduated on time, but being realistic you know that there are probably several issues that the department needs to fix, and some of them just boil down to professionalism and respecting the time that is takes students to meet faculty expectations.

As far as those students who did not finish... I am a firm believer that if you teach students to standard them they can perform to standard. Any lesser performance equals sub-standard instruction. It is just difficult to believe that out of 31 people that 24 were screwups.

djc1981 · Jun 29, 2008

If 24 out of 31 failed, something is wrong. Either the program is fundamentally flawed, or the admission standards are inconceivably low letting people in who are not capable of completing the program. Those statistics are NOT normal or acceptable, and I think the program should definitely have been put on "warning" status. The last thing nursing needs is a battered reputation from programs that are not working and giving people more ammunition to use against nurses.