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mushrooming of nursing schools abroad.....

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this has been an issue for awhile in the philippines. and i dont know if anybody here is aware of it. its just sad that most people go into this profession because of the monetary benefits that it has to offer. even practicing doctors give up their title just to become nurses abroad. in one article from the LA times, a province in the Philippines had 207 doctors. now 79 are nurses, and 30 are in nursing school. and i think that most of them have gone abroad.

im happy that they decided to go into nursing and i cannot actually blame them for doing that. (philippine economy has never been great....) what i dont agree is that they left a place where they could do the most good. and most importantly, they chose it for the wrong reasons, plus, they abandoned the people that need them most....

One out of four nurses in America were trained in the Phillipines or India. H1B visas were raised yet many of our nurses are being laid off. All H1B visas should be suspended until our own citizens are employed afterall they are issued because supposedly we don't have enough qualified people here. This applies to engineering and other high paying professions as well. Basically these foreign schools are unaccredited schools as there is no real way to verify their curriculum. Some are good some not.

There are many american born philipinos who should come first to be hired. They have superior bilingual language skills even though english is taight from the first grade inthe Phillipines. Pearson-Vue now gives the nclex in Manila in spite of a massive cheating scandal in 2006. They are good customers they represent half of all (worldwide) nclex attempts, with about half passing. It will benefit the citizens of the Phillipines to retain their medical professionals.

There are plenty of americans who also are overly involved in the money. Before it was unionized and wages rose, very few men were interested in nursing. I noticed that many of the were already talking about going into management while still in their bsn program.

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One out of four nurses in America were trained in the Phillipines or India. H1B visas were raised yet many of our nurses are being laid off. All H1B visas should be suspended until our own citizens are employed afterall they are issued because supposedly we don't have enough qualified people here. This applies to engineering and other high paying professions as well. Basically these foreign schools are unaccredited schools as there is no real way to verify their curriculum. Some are good some not.

There are many american born philipinos who should come first to be hired. They have superior bilingual language skills even though english is taight from the first grade inthe Phillipines. Pearson-Vue now gives the nclex in Manila in spite of a massive cheating scandal in 2006. They are good customers they represent half of all (worldwide) nclex attempts, with about half passing. It will benefit the citizens of the Phillipines to retain their medical professionals.

There are plenty of americans who also are overly involved in the money. Before it was unionized and wages rose, very few men were interested in nursing. I noticed that many of the were already talking about going into management while still in their bsn program.

thats what i dont like about the whole idea. even if money is of consequence, its not supposed to be "we are nurses because we are payed well"..... its supposed to be the other way around.... "we are payed well because we are nurses...." and though we cant deny the fact that money is really good in health care professions here in the US, it will still not suffice as a drive because, in the long run, with how the economy is going (the cost cutting and such), it must take more than that to keep the nursing profession afloat... and i admire those who do it, not for the pay, but because they actually love their job....

i know, that for some, this is too ideal and naive.... but its something that should actually be reflected upon.

thanks for the insight!:smilecoffeecup:

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"we are payed well because we are nurses...."

I really want to believe it but reality bites. Nurses will only be paid on how well nurses negotiate our pay. I admire those who doesnt do nursing for the pay but on the other hand, how can nurses gauge our worth as compared to other profession. Would it be fair for us to receive less than our non nursing health workers? We are practically the lifeblood of the hospitals. How many death, failure to rescue, falls, med errors are attributed to low staffing.

We can put it in another way. Why do MD work straight , sometimes 24H a day. My answer, its worth it. they were paid well. Whatever risk they have , for them its compensated. If a profession is in great demand,people will pay for what you were worth. Were nurses not worth their pay? For me, anybody can dream to be a nurse, however if ever you become one, just do your job well. I like what Peplau has to say about it:" The reason why you become a nurse is not important, Its the reason you stayed".

I totally agree... Everywhere you look you see nursing schools there...the sad part is even computer schools now offer nursing!!! Their local board passing rate has dropped and now they are contemplating on extending a four year bachelor's degree to five years...like that's going to help?! higher standards should be set to stop schools of nursing from sprouting. Schools that are just out there to make money! Besides, Nursing is not just about making money...it should be one's passion!

i agree with your point renee... and i must say that you explained your point so well. the only thing is, being a filipino, its sad what is happening in the philippines. and this goes to all doctors in the philippines who left for nursing. philippine patients are just waiting for another medical mission from some other country just to get whatever health care that they could get. the fact is, many nursing schools have sprung just to be able to supply nurses abroad and not the philippines. though what you said is true in your case, in this case, a lot of professionals in the philippines moved to nursing just to be able to get out of there. it would be mortifying for filipino nurses to say that "im a nurse working in the US" knowing that most of the Filipinos imply that you went in the profession because of the money and to get out of the country. coz if you would put two and two togther, thats what you get. (philippine economy and nurses abroad). thats what i dont like about it. and since most nursing schools do not have the backbone to educate the students, new filipino nurses lack the experience and the proper training. (but there are good schools out there).

i explained a narrow point of view. i didnt take into account the whole picture. philippine economy has always been down, so health care will definitely be affected. this could be one reason why professionals choose to go into nursing.

plus i agree with the point that you emphasized, the one that Peplau said. many of the professionals who changed to nursing only want to use it as a stepping stone to something else. so i agree that what is importatn is the reason you stayed.

one other thing. those who are able to join medical missions, please do so. this is one good way to help....

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Ava

the mere fact that your fervor and idealism has not diminished is a very good sign that there are more of you who do care for the future of Philippine Nursing. I do believe that Filipino nurses were just bidding their time. I do hope that Filipino nurses will unite for the betterment of future nurses. I would suggest to those Nurses working abroad to come home and visit for a month or two( I know , I know ,Its difficult have a vacation leave) and give a lecture or a seminar to your respective alma mater. How many of you were NPs, CCRN, clinical specialist, with advance degree, PHd, DNSc. The experience and perspectives would be a priceless contribution. To those RN who will retire soon, you can be an invaluable addition to the faculty of nursing schools in the Philippines.

Dont despair Ava. Lets do our share. I will see the fruit of my toil in 3 years on my students. Wheter nursing will be the means or the end, I work hard to make nursing their way of life.

In Phlippines it's the culture and tradition to go abroad and work and send money back to the Philippines.

My wife is from PI and went 4 years to gain her BSN by age of 19.

Her aunt is a lawyer in PI, and now lives in Canada doing Immigration Consultant.

As far as staying home and helping at home. Their is no work in PI.

A nurse will make about $7 to $10 per day per shift.

In order to be a bank teller or flight attendent you must possess a Bachelor degree of some sort.

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