I've had it!!! Need to vent again

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Do any of you have to deal with marketing people at your agencies that accept patients when you don't have the staff to care for the patient? Or one that "overlooks" homebound status. I am the only RN on the road at this time. The DON is on vacation, and our other RN is playing DON, which translates into...stay in the office behind the desk, since the DON does nothing but her hair/nails/cell phone calls to friend/family. Next week first off I start with 5 SOC and 7 reg visits in one day. This is also happening with the PTA's. They are doing as many as they can, and writing missed visits for the rest due to "scheduling". I told them it was poor business, not to mention unethical, to take on new pts when you can't provide services to the ones you already have. That didn't go over well. And yesterday, I caught crap for not admitting a patient who not only was not in need or interest of HH (she was looking for a caregiver), but clearly stated she was not homebound by any means. I referred her to our local Medicaid Waiver/Personal Care program. I was told I should have come up with "some reason" to admit her. So, once again the "gang" is ignoring me, not speaking unless they have to. Are all for-profit agencies like this?

Specializes in OR, ICU, Tele, Psych, LTC, Palliative.

I've been working full time and my day usually started around 8 AM. With faxing, travel to, from and in between clients, chart work (paper) and at home processing of admits for the next day, my days ran about 12 hours at least. I've done this full time for 3 months and my body finally said "Enough!" :sfxpld: I was healthy for 2 weeks, and off sick for 2 weeks - a never ending cycle and something had to give. I like my clients and I like this kind of nursing so......I've dropped back to 3 days a week. I'll do my every other weekend, but then I only have 2 days during the week. I haven't had time to try this as I'm home, again, with a chest infection, on two kinds of inhalation treatment, Clarithromycin and Hydrocodone cough syrup. It must be my body's way of dealing with an untenable situation. Is anyone else full time having this problem, or is it just me?

Hackingly,

Sue

Specializes in med-surg,ltc,home health.

I am getting into this discussion late but I am glad to see other nurses standing up and saying they will not admit a patient that is not homebound or doesn't need home health services. I quit home health after 6 years cause of this type of thing and the enormous amount of paperwork. Anyway hooray for those of us that try and be ethical and follow medicare guidelines and boo to the money hungry agencies that look the other way and encourage marketers and some nurses to do the same.

here i am again.........and i really don't mean to complain as we are all in the same boat, but love that we can help each other with venting,,,,,,had 10 visits and a soc on my schedule....called and spoke to the sup, her response to me was.........what do you want me to do about it????? i said i have 10 visits and one soc , i can't do all that!!!!!! quota only works when THEY want it to,,,,she took back the soc, and i ended up with 9 visits , one pt not home....we have certain nurses that get help and others that don't...i am getting worn out,,,and adm doesn't listen,,,also limited amt of nursing jobs in this area which doesn't help. well thanks for listening, gotta go have 10 visits again today!!!!!!!!!!!

See, this is why I'm so glad my agency is not a for profit business. The last job I had was with a hospice agency that was for profit, which I think just sounds bad, much less how it actually was! It was horrible!!!!!! Much like you described. Tried to get me to document stuff I knew was not right! Like a FTT diagnosis on an elderly lady who was losing weight. Well, what she needed was a care aide who would see that she was eating regularly and financial assistance to get food. Not hospice!!!!! I held in for over a year before I couldn't do it anymore. The HH agency I'm with now is not for profit, and it's like night and day. I can truly say my clinical manager works very hard, she's an old field nurse herself, and they've been turning away patients due to lack of staff so much that now that we're fully staffed, we're having to get back in good with the hospital dc planners just to get referrals. Look a new job!

Specializes in med-surg,ltc,home health.

Ten patient visits is four too many to do a good job in my opinion. Eight should be tops. That is just ridiculous. Is there much driving on those days or are they close to one another? Anyway you definitely should stand up as you did and say you can not adequately cover that kind of patient load.

So glad there are actually agencies out there that are ethical and care about the patients and the staff and not just the almighty dollar and census!!! Glad you found a rewarding job!

So many of these little elderly patients really just need a caring attendant to see that they get good nutrition, their medications taken correctly and a safe bath. Too bad that medicare won't pay for just that. The ones that meet Medicaid income levels can get help through their programs but the ones that have any savings to speak of can't.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.

Five SOC and 7 regular visits in one day? That makes me tired just thinking about it! That is too much work for 2 nurses! I think we should send the administrators out one day to do our job. I would also like to organize their schedule so they are spread all over town!

I had a patient that only spoke Lithuanian and her medications were all mixed up! It was a dangerous mess and I had sort them all and call the Dr. It took me 80 minutes.

I had another young child with a traumatic amputation w/ a wound vac and it took me 2 1/2 hours and it was an emergency call.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.

I've been working full time and my day usually started around 8 AM. With faxing, travel to, from and in between clients, chart work (paper) and at home processing of admits for the next day, my days ran about 12 hours at least. I've done this full time for 3 months and my body finally said "Enough!" :sfxpld: I was healthy for 2 weeks, and off sick for 2 weeks - a never ending cycle and something had to give. I like my clients and I like this kind of nursing so......I've dropped back to 3 days a week. I'll do my every other weekend, but then I only have 2 days during the week. I haven't had time to try this as I'm home, again, with a chest infection, on two kinds of inhalation treatment, Clarithromycin and Hydrocodone cough syrup. It must be my body's way of dealing with an untenable situation. Is anyone else full time having this problem, or is it just me?

Hackingly,

Sue

I have to agree with you Sue. I was so much healthier before I was a visiting RN. I have respiratory issues and the stress can be so heavy sometimes. I too love the patients and what we do, just not the paper work and the bureaucratic stuff. I cut back but I still feel stressed out.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
I am getting into this discussion late but I am glad to see other nurses standing up and saying they will not admit a patient that is not homebound or doesn't need home health services. I quit home health after 6 years cause of this type of thing and the enormous amount of paperwork. Anyway hooray for those of us that try and be ethical and follow medicare guidelines and boo to the money hungry agencies that look the other way and encourage marketers and some nurses to do the same.

What did you get into when you left Home health?

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