IOM Webcast on PPE for HCW

indigo girl · Aug 12, 2009

First off, they start by saying that CDC cannot recommend something that is not obtainable.

I think this says it all, folks. This is supposed to be evidence based so now they have to prove that it is.

indigo girl · Aug 12, 2009

One ICU doc in Utah says that they ran out of N95 masks at his ICU early on though they have now replaced them.

He also said that a patient tested negative by PCR twice and was taken out of isolation only later to be found to be positive and then infected 6 HCW.

We know that the rapid flu tests are unreliable, and now they have just admitted that PCR may not be reliable although this mostly has to do with when the specimen is obtained in the illness, and how the speciman is obtained. This is not surprising given our experience with bird flu where sometimes it takes an autopsy to determine dx because tests are not always reliable. This has ramifications for when we allow people to return to work and if we will give them Tamiflu.

lamazeteacher · Aug 12, 2009

I appreciate the opportunity to listen in to the webcast very much, indigo girl. I'm tempted to tear up to Washington, DC (an hour and a half away from me) for it, but they announced that no further seating is available (and I'm desperately trying to leave for CA, to my home there - out of this heat wave here).

The discussion about PPE isn't happening until 12:15 - 2 P.M. today. I do feel strongly that patients with suspected H1N1 who are admitted to hospitals, should be placed in rooms with special outdoor ventilation/droplet isolation. They should be provided with properly fitted N95 masks to prevent infected organisms from exiting into the room via droplets. Therefore a fresh mask should be worn each time a visitor/HCW enters their room; and those people should wear regular OR type masks as a safety precaution.

There was a post in another thread by a nursing student who suggested that the nurse wear the N95 mask in the room, but I feel (pre CDC workshop) that it is safer to prevent the escape from the infected patient, of disease causing organisms. Once the patient's mask becomes moist, if the HCW is still in the room, it needs to be changed to a fresh one, with the HCW waiting outside the impermeable curtain in the room (watch out for new shower curtains containing PSBs shedding that chemical) while the patient changes and fits the mask to his/her face. That would be a good time for the nurse to change her/his mask.... as it surely would be moist, too.

When teaching the patient to fit the mask to his/her face, the nurse could wear an N95 mask that one time, or each time he/she is in the room, if the patient is uncooperative.

indigo girl · Aug 12, 2009

I am listening to the testimony and research right now.

indigo girl · Aug 13, 2009

IOM Webcast on PPE for HCW - 8/12 and 8/13/09

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/swineflu/news/aug1209iom-jw.html

There is lots of confusion. Most of us work in facilities, myself included that have already gone to the surgical mask. This is not the best guidance, and you need to know this.

I could only listen to the IOM meeting for a few hours, but what I heard first off was that the CDC did not want to issue guidance that could not be followed. Does everyone get what that means? If there are no N95 masks available, and they tell you this is the best protection, they are not looking good. Therefore, they are looking for evidence that N95 is not necessary.

Please read the following link from CIDRAP carefully. The studies between HCW and household contacts differ.

There is another all day meeting tomorrow. Stay tuned:

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/swineflu/news/aug1209iom-jw.html

A task force of the Institute of Medicine (IOM), charged with making recommendations about how to protect healthcare workers against novel H1N1 influenza, today heard a variety of evidence that respirators and masks can shield healthcare workers (HCWs) and others from getting respiratory illnesses.
The IOM panel learned, for example, that N95 respirators—whether fit-tested or not—reduced respiratory illnesses in a recent multiple-hospital study in China, whereas surgical masks were not effective. But other studies, focusing on household transmission of flu, suggested that both surgical masks and N95-type respirators are valuable.
Still another study, involving students at the University of Michigan, suggested that the combination of surgical masks and hand sanitizers may reduce the risk of respiratory illness, but the results didn't achieve statistical significance.
The committee also heard about the problems that some HCWs have with face protection—including a concern among pregnant HCWs in Singapore that wearing an N95 may cause fetal hypoxia.
Evidence on the clinical effectiveness of personal protective equipment (PPE) has been notoriously fuzzy. In the face of the murky science, the IOM has been asked to provide a recommendation to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) by Sep 1.
The CDC currently recommends that HCWs who enter the room of a patient in isolation for suspected or confirmed novel H1N1 flu should wear an N95 respirator or equivalent protection.
Today's day-long workshop, which was streamed over the Web, was dedicated to examining what's known about H1N1 flu and about the effectiveness of masks, gowns, gloves, respirators, and eye protection in preventing H1N1 and seasonal flu transmission.
Hospital study in China
In an afternoon session on preventing flu transmission with PPE, Raina MacIntyre of the University of New South Wales presented a few findings from an as-yet-unpublished study of respiratory protection in hospital workers in Beijing.
The study compared the effectiveness of surgical masks, fit-tested N95 respirators, and non-fit-fit-tested N95s in protecting HCWs from respiratory illnesses. The trial involved 1,936 workers in 24 hospitals, including physicians and nurses, who wore the equipment for 4 weeks last winter. The Chinese location was chosen because the team wanted a site where workers are used to wearing protection, making for high compliance, MacIntyre said.
The researchers looked at several outcome measures, ranging from clinical respiratory illness and influenza-like illness (ILI) to lab-confirmed flu.
She said she the detailed results of the trial are being saved for a meeting in September and journal publication, but she revealed a few findings: An intention-to-treat analysis showed that the surgical masks had no efficacy against any outcomes, whereas the N95s provided 75% protection against lab-confirmed flu. She also said the N95s were 42% more effective than the surgical masks overall.
MacIntyre also reported that the fit testing did not improve the effectiveness of the N95s, as there was no difference between the results for the fit-tested and non-fit-tested groups.
Household transmission studies
MacIntyre also reviewed the findings of a recent study that compared the use of surgical masks and P2 respirators (the equivalent of N95s) in households where a child was diagnosed with a respiratory illness. The randomized controlled trial was reported in Emerging Infectious Diseases in February.
The Australian researchers recruited 145 families, who were assigned to wear surgical masks, P2s, or no respiratory protection. The outcome measures were ILI and confirmed respiratory virus infections.
The scientists found no difference in illness rates between the P2 and surgical mask groups overall. However, mask use in the intervention groups was fairly low, and when the team looked only at the families that actually used the respiratory protection, they found a four-fold reduction in clinical illness for both groups, MacIntyre reported. No clear difference between the P2 and surgical mask groups was found.
A somewhat similar study, recently published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, was reviewed by Ben Cowling of the University of Hong Kong. He and his team used rapid flu tests to recruit patients from outpatient clinics and then studied the effects of interventions in their households.
The researchers recruited about 250 households and divided them into three groups: basic health education only, hand hygiene with soap and an alcohol hand rub, and hand hygiene plus surgical face masks.
The study produced some evidence that the interventions made a difference in flu transmission, but it varied depending how soon the interventions were initiated, Cowling reported.
Overall, 10% of contacts in the control group households contracted confirmed flu, versus 5% of contacts in the hand hygiene group and 7% in the hand hygiene plus face masks group. In a subanalysis focusing on households where interventions were started within 36 hours of the index patient's illness onset, the respective proportions were 12%, 5%, and 4%.
Cowling concluded, as stated in a slide, that the study showed "substantial and significant benefits of face masks and hand hygiene if implemented within 36 hours of index case symptom onset." He said it wasn't possible to distinguish which of the two interventions was more effective.
Pregnant women and N95s
The panel also heard Paul Ananth Tambyah of Singapore National University hospital review the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) experience at his hospital, where full PPE, including N95s and gowns, was found to provide good protection.
In a question period, Tambyah revealed that pregnant HCWs in Singapore do not wear N95s. They are exempted from the requirement because gynecologists believe there will be fewer incidents of fetal hypoxia if pregnant workers don't use the devices, he said. Pregnant women appear to be at increased risk for complications from novel H1N1 flu.
"I think the general consensus with university obstetricians is to use surgical masks rather than N95s" in pregnant women, except when they are involved in intubation or other aerosol-generating procedures, Tambyah said.
Dr. Howard J. Cohen, a member of the IOM panel, commented later that, assuming the concern about fetal hypoxia is valid, "It seems the solution is to put them in a PAPR [powered air purifying respirator], where they have plenty of room to ventilate."

(hat tip FlaMedic)