Hospital Safety Workplace Violence

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The Davidson Bill

In Honor of

Dr Michael Davidson

If you are in agreement with such a proposal contact all your colleagues and have them contact

Senator Mazie Hirono (D-Hi) Senator Brian Schatz (D-Hi) Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hi) And Senator Dianne Feinstein (D *Calif.)

The Davidson Bill

To Honor Dr Michael Davidson

To Decrease Episodes Of Workplace Violence And Excessive Health Care Costs AS Part Of The Increase In Taxes Proposed In President Obama'S State Of The Union Address.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2015/01/23/davidson/3k6Ds6DZiw7cN2KtPiQvRN/story.html

The 2nd Amendment Was Written During A Time When Firearms Could Discharge Their Ammunition At A Rate Of 1 To 2 Rounds Per Minute And Not 30 Rounds Per Minute From A Glock Or From A Fully Automatic Rifle Fast Enough To Melt The Barrel Which Is Why Sfc Brannon Cautioned Us To Never Use A 30 Round Magazine In Our M16a1 Rifles During My Training At Ft Knox KY

A Tax On Ammunition And Firearms Could Fund All The Excessive Healthcare Costs Generated By A Well Armed Populace And Eventually Decrease The Amount Of Workplace Violence Over Periods Of Time If The Price Of Ammunition Funded The Excessive Healthcare Costs They Generate.

http://Http://Www.Medpagetoday.Com/Upload/2014/5/1/Fa-Gdkelen.Pdf

Factor in the cost per bullet and raise the price to purchase ammunition to cover the cost of life long incomes of those who never came home and the healthcare costs of those that survived during workplace violence episodes resulting in approximately 8600 fatalities from 1997 to 2010 79 percent of these fatalities involved firearms

Volume X, NO. Month 2012 Annals of Emergency Medicine

Gabor D. Kelen, MD, FRCP©, E-mail [email protected].

Factor in the cost of every firearm based homicide per bullet (approximately 40,000) in the United States half of which were suicides (Approximate 20,000)

The tax per bullet and firearm will have to cover past and future anticipated costs for veterans who are more likely to die from friendly fire by their own hand than they were to be killed in Iraq or Afghistian by hostile forces

Factor in the cost of every GSW outside the workplace in terms of Health Care Costs

An example of this occurred when Former Vice President Dick Cheney shot his hunting partner accidentally

Banning The Sale Of Assault Weapons Appears To Give Members Of The NRA Chest Pain For No Apparent Reason Also Known As Wellens Syndrome And Was Proven Unconstitutional Due To Recent Court Rulings In Washington DC And Chicago.

An Example Of Wellens Syndrome Would Be African American Women Who Have Pain On Reperfusion And Not Occlusion Of Their Coronary Arteries During A Myocardial Infraction Or Upon The Death Of Their Children As Portrayed In A Video Titled My Ghetto Gospel By Tupac Shakur Who Later Died Of A Gsw In Real Life

http://Https://Www.Youtube.Com/Watch?V=Do5mmmeygsy&List=Rddo5mmmeygsy#T=0

Developmental Psychology Has Shown That Males Are Less Likely To Pull The Trigger In Anger After The Age Of 25 If They Live That Long

http://Http://Www.Urban.Org/Url.Cfm?Id=900403&Renderforprint=1&Cfid=122772688&Cftoken=53294239&Jsessionid=F0308e4f81c541149089252367d7f501d621

The NRA Would Feel Discriminated Against If Members Of The AMA Charged Their Members Double The Going Rate Also Known As An Out Of Pocket Expenses For Treatment Of Their Coronary Artery Disease Which Dr Michael Davidson Will No Longer Be Able To Provide Since He Died Outside Of A CCU In Boston From A GSW In Yet Another Episode Of Workplace Violence.

http://Https://Www.Bostonglobe.Com/2015/01/23/Davidson/3k6ds6dziw7cn2ktpiqvrn/Story.Html

NRA Proponents Are Asking People Who Do Not Own Firearms To Fund The Inexpensive And Inexhaustible Supply Of Ammunition Aka (Missiles) And Firearms Which Contributed To The Carnage That Occurred At Columbine And The Loss Of Life In A Movie Theater In Aurora Colorado

Can Someone Explain To Me Why 318,881,992 Citizens Are Funding The Excessive Healthcare Costs Generated By The Approximate 80,000,000 Citizens Who Do Own Firearms And Ammunition

http://Http://Www.Justfacts.Com/Guncontrol.Asp#Ownership

There Have Been At Least 69 Episodes of mass murder In The Last Three Decades—And Most Of The Killers Got Their Guns Legally. Many Of These Incidents Have Also Been Classified As Episodes Of Workplace Violence

http://Http://Www.Motherjones.Com/Politics/2012/07/Mass-Shootings-Map?Page=2

The Constitutional Right To Bear Arms At A Reduced Tax Rate Is Interfering With Others Constitutional Right To Pursue Happiness In A Environment Devoid Of 8666 Workplace Homicides over the last decade And Approximately 20,000 Murders And Approximately 20,000 Suicides On Average Per Year

The NRA Incorrectly Stated Guns Do Not Kill People Do

The Truth Is

Guns Do Not Kill People Bullets Do And Knives Even Less

In Contrast

A Man With A Knife Was Able To Stab 11 People On A Bus The Other Day In Israel.

The Assailant And All Of His Intended Victims Survived Due To The Heroics And Training Of Physicians Who Are Able To Save Lives That Would Otherwise Be Lost And Well Trained Police Officers Who Were Able To Wound The Assailant Who Was Armed With A Knife And Not A Firearm

The Tragic Loss Of A Physician Outside Of A CCU In Any Healthcare Facility That Had Trained To Prevent These Types Of Occurrences Along With A Mindset That Allows Hospital Invasion Scenarios To Be Broadcast In Prime Time On Grey'S Anatomy Reminds Me Of What Seems To Be Missing In Our Nation

Common Sense

Common Sense Dictates That A Populace That Cannot Afford Firearms Or Ammunition In Great Numbers Will One Day Live In A Place That Does Not Rely On Them For Situations Very Few Will Ever Encounter After A 5 Year Period Of Taxation that pays for the excessive healthcare costs they generate

The Magnificent Seven With Yul Brenner Had An Interesting Perspective In Regards To Purchasing Firearms When Farmers Were Seeking Protection

He Stated At That Point It Was Cheaper To Hire A Man With A Gun Then To Buy A Gun

A Ban Will Never Work Unless Of Course You Are Willing To Move To England Or Whales Where They Seem To Be Able To Survive Without Handguns For No Apparent Reason Without Regret

Failure to pay taxes on firearms or ammunition or other luxury items has been known to cause the retailer to not make the sale or place gangsters in prison aka Al Capone if such a tax were ever proposed

This issue is a huge benchmark in regards to whether the Greatest Nation On Earth can do the right thing in urban settings were police officers are now gunned down in pairs while eating lunch in Las Vegas or sitting in their patrol vehicles in New York City

Respectfully

Stephen G Smith

1816 Mill St Apt 6

Wailuku HI, 96793

(Retired Nurse)

[email protected]

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Yeah, personally disgusted by this and won't be supporting it. I value my 2A rights.

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Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Yeah, personally disgusted by this and won't be supporting it. I value my 2A rights.

But not everyone holds that same responsibility as you do.

I was shot seven times by a registered "responsible" gun holder, who committed suicide after shooting me.

I'm not sure if you have experienced taking care of people who have been shot and need extensive nursing care, past the hospital setting; dealing with the emotional strain and extensive holistic support that is needed post GSW; even to the point that survivors develop PTSD and exacerbation of mental illnesses.

There needs to be solutions to dealing with gun violence; not just laws but support for mental health services, public health issue, and gun control and pro gun being able to guide best policies for the greater good.

As "disgusted" as you are by this manifesto, I could be just as "disgusted" that you are not respecting the many people, including myself, as survivors of gun violence that had NO RIGHT to be subjected to violence on our OWN pursuit to life, liberty, and happiness. :no:

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But not everyone holds that same responsibility as you do.

I was shot seven times by a registered "responsible" gun holder, who committed suicide after shooting me.

I'm not sure if you have experienced taking care of people who have been shot and need extensive nursing care, past the hospital setting; dealing with the emotional strain and extensive holistic support that is needed post GSW; even to the point that survivors develop PTSD and exacerbation of mental illnesses.

There needs to be solutions to dealing with gun violence; not just laws but support for mental health services, public health issue, and gun control and pro gun being able to guide best policies for the greater good.

As "disgusted" as you are by this manifesto, I could be just as "disgusted" that you are not respecting the many people, including myself, as survivors of gun violence that had NO RIGHT to be subjected to violence on our OWN pursuit to life, liberty, and happiness. :no:

I'm very sorry that you were attacked. I don't know what a "registered gun holder is", but I am sorry one attacked you, and glad you are able to make said post.

Yes, I have taken care of GSW victims before.

No, they did not at the time have any manifestation of PTSD.

I agree that mental health and public health are HUGE issues. However, they are unrelated to gun control.

What's interesting about that manifesto is that all of those who propose it are protected by men and women with guns, and one of them (Senator Feinstein) has held a California Concealed Carry Permit for some length of time (very hard to get!). But of course...pay no attention to her actions...listen to her words.

There is a REASON hospitals have armed security (albeit typically poorly trained). There is also a reason that the areas of this country with the strictest gun control laws have the highest amounts of murder and gun-related crime. (DC, Chicago, etc.).

Also, lets look at other things that have been outlawed, like cocaine. I've NEVER seen anyone test positive for THAT, have you? *sarcasm*

My point is, simply distilled, that doctors and nurses kill more people through negligence than firearms do every year. However, also like firearms, we SAVE more people than we kill. Also, I would point out that when the chips are down and you dial 911, you'd be mighty dissapointed if the officers responded to the criminal accosting you with strong words, am I right? I just cut out the middle man and carry. Is a firearm a "magic talisman" that makes me invincible? No. No more than a syringe of solumedrol makes you the cure for respiratory failure...but it is a useful tool if properly employed.

Making firearms illegal (except for those who propose this bill...) won't solve any problems. It will just mean that people who obey laws are now defenseless against those who don't, even moreso.

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Specializes in Acute Mental Health.

Most of us that carry respect the right to bear arms. I too am sorry you were a victim of multiple gsw. I can understand the PTSD involved as I have cared for victims.

I don't want to call 911, wait and wait, only to have the police be too late. I never want to lose the right to defend myself. Been there and never ever want to be a victim again.

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Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Most of us that carry respect the right to bear arms. I too am sorry you were a victim of multiple gsw. I can understand the PTSD involved as I have cared for victims.

I don't want to call 911, wait and wait, only to have the police be too late. I never want to lose the right to defend myself. Been there and never ever want to be a victim again.

I waited for 911 as well and defended myself WITHOUT one. :blink:

This person stalked me and I was in the process in becoming a responsibility gun owner when this happened to me.

There were many people who assured in helping me to safety were responsible gun owners, which did not retaliate and shoot the person that shot me. :no:

My point is there are many people who have endured physical and mental scars from gun violence, and there are many people that want sensible gun ownership, sensible laws that have a balance, while not having anyone THINK to resort to pulling one; my other point is that being "disgusted" by a viewpoint of wanting sensible gun ownership is NOTHING to be "disgusted" about; there are far too many that are dealing with burden and have experienced gun violence at work and have a right to be safe against disgruntled people who desire to retaliate against doctors and nurses.

This OP is coming to the forum for support, and may find it here; this thread should be more about solutions than to debate the poster about their viewpoint of wanting to support something that with enough people at the table, could be something that makes sense for public healthy and safety, which is a priority as nurses-public safety. :yes:

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I waited for 911 as well and defended myself WITHOUT one. :blink:

This person stalked me and I was in the process in becoming a responsibility gun owner when this happened to me.

There were many people who assured in helping me to safety were responsible gun owners, which did not retaliate and shoot the person that shot me. :no:

My point is there are many people who have endured physical and mental scars from gun violence, and there are many people that want sensible gun ownership, sensible laws that have a balance, while not having anyone THINK to resort to pulling one; my other point is that being "disgusted" by a viewpoint of wanting sensible gun ownership is NOTHING to be "disgusted" about; there are far too many that are dealing with burden and have experienced gun violence at work and have a right to be safe against disgruntled people who desire to retaliate against doctors and nurses.

This OP is coming to the forum for support, and may find it here; this thread should be more about solutions than to debate the poster about their viewpoint of wanting to support something that with enough people at the table, could be something that makes sense for public healthy and safety, which is a priority as nurses-public safety. :yes:

Diane Feinstein thinks she is the only one who should own a firearm. Look at her track record on the issue and the idiotic bills she introduces every year.

She finally got it through her thick skull that the people will never go for banning firearms.

So now she wants to ban them by taxing them out of range of people.

It's disgusting. All while she carried one of her own.

Yes, hypocrisy disgusts me. Especially when the hypocrit is trying to attack me and my rights.

Now, as to your situation...you defended yourself without a firearm. Kudos to you! That's a strong mindset and I am very impressed with your mettle! I would honestly ask, though, if you had had your firearm on you, would you have been shot all 7 times, do you think?

Also, it is noone's responsibility to prevent a crime. You're on your own legally. Those other gun owners were not obligated one bit, and would have opened themselves up to legal action against them should they have shot in your defense. Why would you expect them to do for you what you would not?

These are all questions that one must ask themselves, and things to be aware of, should they decide on one position or the other, of this debate. Not attacks on you or your decisions. We all have to make our own way, and you've made yours. I am not trying to tax you because of your decision to rely on our police force to protect you when they have time, so please don't try to tax me for trying my best to be responsible for my own safety.

Further, Obama pushed for a study from the healthcare aspect on gun control. The results supported gun ownership. That's probably why you haven't heard about it...the media LOVES the liberal agenda. Here ya go:

CDC Study: Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent' | CNS News

So yes, I support gun ownership, because I am an American citizen. Also because I'm a nurse.

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Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Diane Feinstein thinks she is the only one who should own a firearm. Look at her track record on the issue and the idiotic bills she introduces every year.

She finally got it through her thick skull that the people will never go for banning firearms.

So now she wants to ban them by taxing them out of range of people.

It's disgusting. All while she carried one of her own.

Yes, hypocrisy disgusts me. Especially when the hypocrit is trying to attack me and my rights.

Now, as to your situation...you defended yourself without a firearm. Kudos to you! That's a strong mindset and I am very impressed with your mettle! I would honestly ask, though, if you had had your firearm on you, would you have been shot all 7 times, do you think?

A few things:

Who CARES if Senator Feinstein carries a firearm or not??

Not the issue of the thread. :no:

The focus of the thread is supporting protection against workplace violence; I'm sure you aren't against that are you?

And please, my situation is not up to Monday morning quarterbacking; It still could've ended up the same way; and I find it offensive to be cavalier to brush it as "you wouldn't have been shot if you had a gun"; that minimizes my ordeal and if anything, I was able to defend myself WITHOUT a gun.

So let's leave that out of the discussion; you don't know me, or my ordeal or any ordeal of people who have the invisible scars and live with PTSD, who had their OWN rights trampled on; you don't understand that feeling, so I ask you to DON'T patronize my ordeal. Thanks.

Also, it is noone's responsibility to prevent a crime. You're on your own legally. Those other gun owners were not obligated one bit, and would have opened themselves up to legal action against them should they have shot in your defense. Why would you expect them to do for you what you would not?

These are all questions that one must ask themselves, and things to be aware of, should they decide on one position or the other, of this debate. Not attacks on you or your decisions. We all have to make our own way, and you've made yours. I am not trying to tax you because of your decision to rely on our police force to protect you when they have time, so please don't try to tax me for trying my best to be responsible for my own safety.

Further, Obama pushed for a study from the healthcare aspect on gun control. The results supported gun ownership. That's probably why you haven't heard about it...the media LOVES the liberal agenda. Here ya go:

CDC Study: Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent' | CNS News

So yes, I support gun ownership, because I am an American citizen. Also because I'm a nurse.

I don't rely on the media; I look at fiscal policies, and public records of laws; so whatever you have posted I don't take stock in; and furthermore has no place in this discussion.

If you are new here; do a search on gun control and right to carry; it has debated as nauseum and I have participated in those discussions; you will find that I am in support of sensible gun ownership; even if it means frequent psych checks, a national system to prevent people who are negligent in the rights to prevent them from crossing stated lines to obtain another gun and such.

What you fail to realize is that as nurses, we DO have a responsibility to protect the greater good and tackle Public health issues; gun violence is a public health issue that won't do away with MORE guns; again, there are issues and solutions that can be compromised regardless of background.

As a nurse and a gun violence and domestic violence survivor, I go into my community and speak about my ordeal to educate on my story and coping mechanisms; I speak to young adults because those are the more vulnerable populations I my area that deal with pressures and have background that happen to not always grow up in conditions where healthy coping occurs; violence is a solution and an issue where unhealthy coping may stem from; to lash out or use a gun in situations is a way to feel power when one feels powerless.

I'm not going to endure this discussion any longer; I will reiterate; the OP has a good point in wanting support for preventing gun violence against health care workers and having an honest conversation of NOT minimizing the REAL problem and burden on our health system that gun violence entails; even if the burden is a psychological and socioeconomic one; it should not be minimized, NOR should it be ignored. :no:

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A few things:

Who CARES if Senator Feinstein carries a firearm or not??

Not the issue of the thread. :no:

Not directly, but it shows that she knows how the world works, and that she is not willing to follow the same laws she wants you and I to follow because of that knowledge. So I do consider it pertinent. How would you feel if an MD told you to do something and when you said you were uncomfortable, and for the MD to do it, they said "No way!"? It's similar...

The focus of the thread is supporting protection against workplace violence; I'm sure you aren't against that are you?

No, not in the least. Workplace violence is actually a concern for me. Most mass shootings happen at places that are what I call a "soft target". That is, where firearms are discouraged or not allowed. Like a hospital. Most mass shootings (almost all?) have happened at places where firearms are not allowed to be carried. So, yes, I am concerned about it. However, I do not think that someone taxing me to buy ammo is going to curb work-place shootings, crime in general, or do anything but make my cost of training go up and infringe my rights.

And please, my situation is not up to Monday morning quarterbacking; It still could've ended up the same way; and I find it offensive to be cavalier to brush it as "you wouldn't have been shot if you had a gun"; that minimizes my ordeal and if anything, I was able to defend myself WITHOUT a gun.

So let's leave that out of the discussion; you don't know me, or my ordeal or any ordeal of people who have the invisible scars and live with PTSD, who had their OWN rights trampled on; you don't understand that feeling, so I ask you to DON'T patronize my ordeal. Thanks.

Then don't tell me about it like it. I didn't ask about it, and you apparently now don't want to talk about it. Why even have brought it up?

I don't rely on the media; I look at fiscal policies, and public records of laws; so whatever you have posted I don't take stock in; and furthermore has no place in this discussion.

You mean the study compiled by the IOM regarding gun-violence is not pertinent to the discussion? Let me try to understand this: You are only concerned with generating tax dollars. Is this correct? If you don't care about the outcome (good or bad) of gun control, but care about "fiscal policies", this is what I take away from it. However, I feel I must have misunderstood. Can you clarify?

If you are new here; do a search on gun control and right to carry; it has debated as nauseum and I have participated in those discussions; you will find that I am in support of sensible gun ownership; even if it means frequent psych checks, a national system to prevent people who are negligent in the rights to prevent them from crossing stated lines to obtain another gun and such.

See, these things in and of themselves are not bad. The problem is that a legitimate psych eval is a timely process. If you wanted the 100+ million gun-owners in America to all undergo one before being allowed to continue firearm ownership, how would that even work? If you just wanted even new gun owners to undergo the eval, how long would that take? I own a lot of class III stuff. It get it approved takes roughly 6-9 months. It takes an ATF agent about 15 minutes to approve it. There are FAR MORE "regular gun owners" than those who buy NFA items. I suggest that to properly perform the frequent psych checks you propose, it would all but prevent gun ownership due to logistics.

What you fail to realize is that as nurses, we DO have a responsibility to protect the greater good and tackle Public health issues; gun violence is a public health issue that won't do away with MORE guns; again, there are issues and solutions that can be compromised regardless of background.

I don't see guns as the problem. I see mental health, "PC attitude", quality of a community (infrastructure, economy, all those kinds of things) and other things as the issue. It is my job as an American to make sure that the Second Amendment is not infringed. Responsible firearm ownership is a good thing. Just like responsibly using pain medication is a good thing. Do people abuse pain medication? Yep. They sure do. Do we still hand it out like candy? Yep. We sure do. Do we demand an EEG to figure out if they are ACTUALLY HURTING before we do? Nope. I know it's a bit different of course, but the point I am making is that Lortab, etc. are not "bad". Just their misuse. Would you support a bill that proposed to tax any and all pain medications to offset the cost to hospitals from drug-seeking patients and overdoses on same? How would you feel if you went in for a surgery, and got a morphine PCA, and some IV dilaudid and a percocet order, during your stay, and were taxed heavily for it and insurance refused to cover the additional tax? Cool? It wouldn't be cool with me, personally.

As a nurse and a gun violence and domestic violence survivor, I go into my community and speak about my ordeal to educate on my story and coping mechanisms; I speak to young adults because those are the more vulnerable populations I my area that deal with pressures and have background that happen to not always grow up in conditions where healthy coping occurs; violence is a solution and an issue where unhealthy coping may stem from; to lash out or use a gun in situations is a way to feel power when one feels powerless.

I agree 100%. Building proper coping mechanisms will go a long way toward preventing violence in the home, work-place, and everywhere else. THIS is what I feel we need to work on as a country. Murder has been illegal for quite a while. We don't need laws. We don't need regulations. We need to build a complete human being capable of dealing with situations that arise throughout life.

I'm not going to endure this discussion any longer; I will reiterate; the OP has a good point in wanting support for preventing gun violence against health care workers and having an honest conversation of NOT minimizing the REAL problem and burden on our health system that gun violence entails; even if the burden is a psychological and socioeconomic one; it should not be minimized, NOR should it be ignored. :no:

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The goal behind this bill is to generate tax revenue and treat guns/ammo like the government treated R12 refrigerant a while back. I'm 100% against it.

Proper and sensible regulations as relates to firearm ownership, I am all for, but heavy taxation of constitutionally protected rights to be exercised by those who are legally capable, is not proper or sensible as a regulatory method.

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