Hesi Exit Test - page 11

Hello fellow educators....I am dealing with a dilema which I have no control over as I am a staff member, not administration, but it is just eating away at my concious. My community college uses the... Read More

  1. by   rcwickman1992
    I don't know what they based the Hesi on. I failed my hesi test but I still graduated because my overall grade was computed for that class. However, i PASSED NCLEX PN with 85 questions. They should change things, something's not right.
  2. by   lsw1956
    I agree! We lost so many people because of HESI. Unlike your school HESI is not computed into our grade. Hesi is a grade all it's own, 95% of the class passed the class but not HESI and they were not allowed to graduate. The world is short a lot of good nurses.
  3. by   nolongeributhe09
    Quote from lsw1956
    I agree! We lost so many people because of HESI. Unlike your school HESI is not computed into our grade. Hesi is a grade all it's own, 95% of the class passed the class but not HESI and they were not allowed to graduate. The world is short a lot of good nurses.
    I agree with you. Hesi exam should not be the way to kick out student out of this profession. Many good students can not graduate because of hesi. It is not fair.
  4. by   Beatinthebox
    i hate taking hesi's cause they affect my grade... but i guess im also thankful for them cause they'll push me to step up
  5. by   hollyberryh20
    Hi All,

    I am in my senior year of nursing school last semester and have been in school for 7 years trying to get my RN degree. I took my hesi exit exam for the second time yesterday and failed it again along with 10 others 806 and need an 850. I am not graduating in 5 weeks because of this. Meanwhile I owe $120,000 in student loans from being in school all these years. I have been a straight A-B student throughout my education and I am also on the national honor society for nursing, but because of hesi I will not be allowed to graduate in may. I have to finish out the semester and go back next semester for a refresher course and if I fail a third time I am out of the program. Not only has my school and hesi made me doubt myself they have ruined my life and every joyous thought of nursing I had went out the window. I understand why there is a shortage of nurses, these schools love to take students money and leave them out to dry with nothing to show for all there hard work. I hate hesi and all it stands for and something needs to be done about this. These schools need to start taking accountability when students don't pass their hesi and give them proper preparation, not just throw a book in their face and tell them to self prepare. Half the stuff on my hesi exam yesterday wasn't even in the hesi book, and the hesi resources are only available through the instructors, not that they are helpful as I utilized them and they still didn't help. As students we have enough preparation through class work and clinical to pass the boards and hesi should not be a determing factor of that. I am going to see if I can at least sit for my LPN state board exam at least I'll get something out of all this hard work . Meanwhile I gotta fight on my hands.

  6. by   uafan69
    I am currently a student at the University of Phoenix. We were told about the RN exit HESI one month before we were scheduled to graduate. We must pass with a 900 or retake it. The classes that are behind us have only one chance. I think this is very wrong!! Three and a half years of school and $ 46,000. down the drain if you fail. I received a 853 on my first try and will need to retake it in two weeks. I am currently studying Saunders and the Hesi review books. Any advice?
  7. by   wings527
    I totally agree with you about school trying to weed out students with a low HESI score to boost their pass rate. My first ever HESI score was a 650 and I was 45 minute late to the exam. Well, I didnt last long in the ABSN program at Duquesne. A month before I would have graduated, they expelled me from the program. Of course, they cant tell you that this was the exact reason for getting rid of you. They find other likeable cause to say that you're unsafe in your practice, etc. Our dean told us that a female student from a previous class had OD on administration of drug to a pediatric client, therefore, Duquesne no longer allows any students to give meds to ped pts. The Dean said they let her graduate because she will never do that again. I compared what they said about my unsafe practice for wearing gloves when I walked out of the patient ICU room one time to that of a student who OD a patient, which is worse? A lot of my classmates were surprised. They couldnt believe that with just a month left until graduation, I was kicked out, even with a GPA of 3.01. At the time, I really didnt figure it out why other professors, not teaching the program for that particular semester was asking me about my HESI score. Of course, I had to be honest to those who asked and I was thinking they would find ways to help me to improve my score. Well, they helped me alright. They got together to weed me out of the program. So, for those of you out there, be well prepared score about 850 on the HESI exam. Someone from here posted that the state of New York banned this policy. I hope that PA will follow suit. It's totally aggravating for me to learn that the school did not help me to improve but found ways to officially get rid of me.
    Last edit by wings527 on Apr 7, '09
  8. by   stustressed
    Is this really a predictor of how well we will do on boards? We all just took the HESI this week (IT IS NOT A FACTOR IN OUR GRADUATION) We graduate in a month but our instructors are treating all student in our program like crap if they didn't get an 850 on it. We really didn't take it that seriously...our instructor left the room and some students even were sharing answers!!! Our instructors are now telling us that if we got below an 850 than we are in REAL trouble and we have to submit (with proof) 3, 000 questions before graduation to remiediate us before graduation. IS THIS TRULY A PREDICTOR OF NCLEX????
  9. by   Goodoldnurse
    YES!! It really IS a predictor of your success in the NCLEX-RN!! You have now shown that you and your classmates are not trustworthy. Is this how you will act with clients? Will you have this same attitude when you are taking care of someones mother? Does your class have this low of integrity?
    I do hope you take this VERY seriously and realize that your instructors are trying to help you be successful when taking the NCLEX-RN. You are only hurting yourselves!
  10. by   stustressed
    I DO take this seriously but I think the issue at this point is that this feels like the icing on the cake. The attitude they have with students who have scored higher on tests (throughout the program) is MUCH different than the students who might have struggled on tests. If this test was such a big deal then why did we have testing conditions that were noisy, no instructor present and no indication that we would need to remediate with them after the test. When we take NCLEX we will have prepared for it differently..had a review course, better testing conditions etc. It feels like the instructors are only concerned about keeping the good pass rate that our school is known for, not concern for us. We are adults and our instructors talk to us like children sometimes. There is nothing wrong with our instructors being hard on us to drive us to do better but it is about respect. Even when we have performed well there is very rarely a "good job" from them. I realize this post sounds whiny but I was just frustrated with how they talked to some students after the HESI. I can't speak for everyone in my program but I take the fact that I am about to be an RN VERY SERIOUSLY and I hope that my instructors find a way to be hard on students but have respect for them as well. Thanks for your input.
  11. by   Goodoldnurse
    You sound very frustrated. Use this experience to mold how you will treat new nurses or team members.
    I will give you an "GOOD JOB!!!!" since you have made it this far! Positive thoughts for you when taking the NCLEX!! :clphnds:
  12. by   2btmanrn
    hello, everyone! good morning. i have a classmate here with me and she would like to make several comments based on her experience with our school and the hesi exam. please, be kind with your replies. please. note, this is her opinion and her experiences! lets respect that. thank you!

    [color=#333333]the academic staff at one of the city colleges of chicago awarded me my grades, which indicates mastery of their nursing program.
    [color=#333333]i was unsuccessful with the hesi exit exam, an exam that was utilized to protect their own pass rates two months before my graduation. the city colleges of chicago is implementing this exam only as an obstacle to prevent myself and other qualified classmates from taking the nclex rn exam. this strategy shows only one design, and that is only to give an artificially inflated pass rate for the school. which indicates that the city colleges of chicago lacks concern of the success of their students, but is only concern in protecting their own pass rates. i am not arguing the importance of appropriate and relevant testings. but the city colleges of chicago is using this exam to deny me and other classmates who have successfully completed the academic program the opportunity to graduate and sit for boards.

    it all boils down to the city colleges of chicago not having confidence in their own academic program. they are trying to bolster their nclex pass rates by eliminating me and other classmates from the test pool. if they have legitimate reason to question me and other students' ability to pass nclex, then why have i passed all of their nursing classes? if i had any unsatisfactory performance i should have been weeded out of the program long before completing the program! i provided above standard care of my patients and received excellent evaluations/competency from my instructors for the two years that i was in the program. my family and i sacrificed a lot. i completed the program, and paid my tuitions. my score was 85%, which indicates the probability by percentage of passing the state boards exam (nclex rn). olive harvey college stated they will not allow me to sit for boards or give me my nursing degree unless i scored 87% or above. the hesi exam is not a competency exam. only the nclex rn is the nationally recognized competency exam. i have accumulated over 100 college credit hours and most are nursing. nursing courses are not transferable. there over 1 yr. long waiting list in other nursing programs. i am in debt from college loans and with no degree to show for it. does this sound fair to you?

    in simple terms what am i talking about?
    what is the hesi exit exam? its an exam that determines the probability by percentage if you will pass the nclex rn exam. it is also used for both the faculty and students, to determine the student and nursing curriculum of their areas of weakness. in other words, it's a probability and assessment exam.
    for example, there are 43 students who completed the nursing program. out of the 43 students only three passed the hesi exit exam. out the three who passed the hesi exit exam, only two passed the nclex rn exam. now, the school can state that they have 99% nclex pass rate. according to the state requirement, if nursing programs can show they have above 87% nclex first time test taker pass rate (i think that the%) they can attain more money from the state and it will bait more investors. but, what nobody knows is that, the 40 students who completed the program, cannot attain their nursing degree or take the nclex rn exam. those 40 students are left with nothing but a student loan, low self esteem, and humiliation. four years of nursing school down the drain.
    one more thing, there are seven colleges within the city colleges of chicago. therefore, if there are 40 students who were unsuccessful, that would not include all the other six colleges. you can assume, 40 students times 6 colleges. plus, students graduate in december and may. that's 240 students times 2. you do the math. my classmates have been without their earned degree since 2006. i can assure you, currently, this sort of deceptive practice is still occurring city college wide. those students who were not successful, were abandoned by the school.

    another thing, the city college policy is so subjective. they chose who can and cannot re-take the hesi exam. nobody knows how and why, but its true.
    here is the kicker. you can take the nclex rn exam, according to the state licensing board up to twelve times within three years. but, the city colleges of chicago only counts those students who will pass nclex rn exam the first time. the second time test takers don't count. i wonder how many excellent doctors, and lawyers passed their boards the first time? i would like to hear from other city colleges of chicago nursing students who are going through this. we need to get together democratically and voice our concerns. this sort of diagnostic test is not being utilized in medical school. mayor daley i hope you will read this. how many times did it take you to pass your bar exam?

    there are a lot of issues and concerns regarding the punitive uses of this exam. the creator of hesi, susan morrison has stated herself that she did not create these exams for punitive reasons, but as a learning tool. i hope i have a few supporters regarding this issue. if the city colleges of chicago truly wanted their students to be successful, they should have utilized the hesi exam throughout the curriculum and not just at the end. it should have been implemented after each nursing course, which will give the student familiarity base, and used accordingly as an assessment tool for both the faculty and student. why did they have to wait until we have completed the program? can you imagine? you received you final grades, than for the school to tell you, "oh by the way, you have to take another test, if you don't pass this one, you will not get your nursing degree and you won't be able sit for your licensing board?"

    i would like nothing more than your support. help my classmates, please. if you have any question please ask away. you can research this issue, there are a lot of students who have voiced their concerns. i am afraid this sort of deceptive practice is becoming a trend with most nursing programs. other programs, have taken accountability and fixed their mistakes. unfortunately, the city colleges of chicago have not. i doubt that they will.
    contact mayor daley, senator dick durbin, reporters, past, current students, nurses and anyone else you can think of to attend and advocate us. please!
    the next board meeting will be held thursday, may 7, 2009 at 9:00 a.m. room 300 district office, 226 west jackson boulevard, chicago, il 60606.

    my classmates and i do not have anymore money to take them to court and we don't have the resources. telling our story is all i, we have. i pray a savior will come. i have faith in the lord in the people. mind you, we are not asking for a free-ride. we asking for what we worked hard for - the opportunity to take the nclex rn exam.

    i am sorry if this is so lengthy. i am sure that some of you can understand how much pain i am in. i and my classmates are suffering fiancially. please, help us.
  13. by   2btmanrn
    as months pass by, i have come to realize that there are more than just my classmates out there within the city colleges of chicago whose lives have been damaged severly by the lack of accountability. how many more students, how many more?

    in my opinion, m
    aking a whole degree hinge on a single test is wrong, and using that to artificially inflate a college's pass rate is truly dishonest, rather deceptive. why not just give the degree if earned and permission to test and let nclex do the test? that is what medical schools and law schools do. passing the exam is up to the students. if the college does this, then why not put up the honest statistics and let the consumer decide where to spend their dollars? where is the consumer protection here? it's absent, i'd say.

    researched has been done and the psychological consequences and they are more disturbing. using a qualitative design, 10 nursing graduates who had failed the nclex-rn were interviewed to gain an understanding of this experience. several themes emerged including: carrying failure as a daily burden; losing the of identity of being a nurse; doubting past accomplishments; seeing self as damaged goods; wanting support; and daring to hope. the authors described the experience of nclex-rn failure resulting in feelings of abandonment. in addition, graduates who failed the nclex-rn stated they felt cut off from the community of faculty and students who had been important to their learning experience while in a nursing program.

    this is how what we are experiencing. we were qualified to enter the nursing program, passed each nursing courses, paid our tuitions, and completed the program. approximately, 50% of my classmates who completed the program are without a degree and cannot sit for the nclex examination.

    please attend the meeting and support the students who deserves the opportunity to take the nclex rn exam.