Have You Ever Refused to Come in for Call?

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in december,a colleague and i,assigned to be on call 2300-0700 on this particular night, were called in at 2300 and stayed until 0220,then returned to our homes. at 0540 my phone rang - i was called in again. now,in our pacu we are given one hour to get in from the time we are called. it normally takes just about that long from where i live, and it would be at least that long on this snowy,icy (roads) night with winds gusting to 104km/hr (i guess about 60 mph). the conditions at 0230 when i went home were not great. we were assigned to be on again at 1500, but they don't care ("hey,you chose to work pacu!")

so,that would bring my arrival time at 0640...20 minutes before the day staff was due in. i called the or and told the charge that i would not be coming in all that way for 20 minutes. my colleague,whom i'd called and consulted before i called the or, was going in - she lives right in the city,about 20 minutes away - i,in a suburb.

yesterday,i received a note from my nurse manager requesting that we meet to discuss. she'd included an email she'd received from the nurse manager of the or to whom the charge nurse had reported me that night. interesting that the or nm decided it was fine to pad her argument by saying that i refused to come in for "30 minutes". my clock read 0640 not 0630. i won't back down on that!

i expect i'll be told i had no right to refuse to come in. i'm sure that under the terms any of us work in pacu,that the rule is: you do whatever you need to do to be in on whatever call shift you're assigned...no matter what. fine!

but, in your opinions,......is there a reasonable time at which you can refuse to come in - a point that is just common sense!?

for instance,if they call you at 0555 and your arrival time is 0655....5 minutes before the day staff is due....is it reasonable to refuse to come in...this has actually happened! it has even happened that on call staff here were called at 0600 to come in....right when the day staff walk through the door.

have we no say at all? you certainly hear lots of examples of anesthetists refusing to come in at night to do a case the surgeon wants to do! is it too much to ask for someone already there to wrap a bp cuff on,do a resp count,get warm blankets,sit with the pt - especially for a mere 20 mins on a winter night when we'd already been in. i think their (implied) response, "tough! i wanna go home!" is just a little bit 'precious'.

my question is: is there a cut off time (official or assumed) in your pacu after which you can refuse to come in?

maybe i need to leave pacu...maybe 28 years is long enough to be a nurse,maybe i'm burnt out...i just hate that we nurses spend our entire careers doing what we're told to do -by both doctors and administration.

i feel powerless.

thanks for your thoughts,

jen

Specializes in Critical care.

Could you see your OR staff deciding to hold the pt in the OR for 5-20minutes before the day staff is due to come in anyway? Or would they call you in no matter what?

Btw,how much time are you given to get into the hospital after you're called?

:chuckle Yeah, expecting the OR to stay a few extra minutes would go over just peachy. Half the time the circulator and anesthesiologist are ready to bolt as soon as the report has been given.

We are given 45 minutes to arrive. I think OR has 30 minutes. Once we are called in, we are paid for a minimum of 2 hrs, even if it's Dr. Speedy Gonzales doing a lap appy with a ready bed.

If you live in an area with lots of snow and dangerous condtions during the winter, why doesn't the hospital provide a place for you to stay? I mean, what's the big deal with the call people cat-napping in empty rooms? I used to work with a nursing supervisor who lived 90 min from the hospital and when she pulled doubles on the weekends she just slept in an empty room.

Specializes in PACU,Trauma ICU,CVICU,Med-Surg,EENT.

Update:

All is well. I had a meeting with our unit manager. By that time,I'd rehashed this in my head, and told her that I'd not make the same decision again. There was no trouble.

I did ask her what should we do if we are called in and are due to arrive very shortly before the day shift is due in. She said if our travel time (one hour is allowed) would get us in only 5 or 10 minutes before the next shift is due anyway -she said call the OR and explain that. I can't imagine anyone with any amount of common sense requiring people to get out of bed for,literally, a 5 or 10 minute call, even if "that's the reason it's called 'Call' ". That's just harsh, and not something I'd ever require of someone else. It's a simple kindness. That's the way I look at very short calls anyway. Thanks for your replies all!

It's really not an option to refuse to come in. BUT, I'd personally call the day nurse, explain the situation and see if he/she wouldn't mind coming in early. Or, I'd ask the OR nurse if he/she could hold them the 20 minutes for day shift. Hopefully they'd have a heart and help you out, considering the weather. But if they won't budge, then you have to go in.

Specializes in M/S, MICU, CVICU, SICU, ER, Trauma, NICU.

Would it have been possible to call the day shift to come in 30 minutes earlier? I wouldn't have refused to come in, but I would've called the day shift people myself.

Specializes in PACU,Trauma ICU,CVICU,Med-Surg,EENT.

Good question. In the 5 years I've been in this unit,that's not been done - likely because being called in this close to 0700 happens so rarely. Seems a reasonable suggestion to me if they lived close to the hospital and could get there in time.

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