Tell me...is this appropriate??? I think not!

Nursing Students General Students

Published

Yesterday, I had to re-certify for my BLS/CPR. I took a class at a school that teaches CNA/LPN courses and offers "quick certification". I am not even certain if they are accredited.

Anyway, the class was to start at 8:30. The teacher (who works for the school, not an outside contractor) first showed up at 8:40. That was annoying to begin with but not a huge deal. There were three of us who did not go to that school. We were only there to be recertified. There was a physical therapist who was going for her doctorate, a fitness trainer and myself, an LPN. The other six people in the class were all attendees of the school, who were to graduate in six more weeks as CNA's.

Those students all walked in late. Because they were the teachers "regular" students, she help up the class for them. Then, once they arrived, she first began to set up the dummies for CPR practice. By the time the class actually started, it was nearly 9:40am. We were in a room that was literally 10 feet by 8 feet. All ten of us. There was no air conditioning at all. Then, she didn't know how to set up the DVD player and couldn't get it to work. This took another twenty minutes and it was now 10am. What added to the frustration was the fact that the regular students brought in coffee and two dozen donuts for the seven of them (the six classmates and the teacher). They didn't offer us, the remaining three anything. They sat around chatting, drinking their coffee and eating their donuts (or doughnuts) while we were trying to watch the video and take notes. At one point, the student and the teacher were looking through her camera phone at pictures she had taken from when they all went out and "got really drunk" over the weekend. The teacher was included in these photos! I was amazed!

There were parts of the video that were supposed to be paused so that we could be instructed in technique. While the three of us didn't really need the instruction because we were all certified before, she didn't show the others in the class about ANY life saving techniques! She had the nerve to bark at the three of us that we should be practicing our compressions. They were making sex talk, inappropriate for our class of course and pretty much ignoring what we were there for. At one point, the teacher took a picture of our class, from behind, with all our asses ine air while we were doing rescue breaths. She thought it was really funny because one of the girls was wearing a thong and it was sticking out of her scrubs. I was extremely angry, but this person held my BLS card in her hands, so I kept my mouth shut (a very rare thing for me):chuckle

The teacher called about 4 fifteen minute "smoke breaks". During a CPR class??? They all puffed away in front of the building while we three stayed in the class, backed up the video and took the notes we weren't able to hear earlier over all the chatter. When they would return from their breaks, all of them literally stunk up the room! We were in a very warm, small room and none of these people were considerate enough to wash their hands or apply a little lotion or something to make the room breathable! She also scheduled a half hour lunch. So, considering that we started an more than an hour late, took an hour worth of breaks and then a half hour lunchbreak, we didn't exactly get the five hour course we paid for!

When we finally got to practicing compressions, you were supposed to switch back and forth between partners, to prevent fatigue. Instead, she made us do every single set of compressions on our own. We did about 10 sets of 30 compressions individually! We were exhausted, unable to breathe and very upset. There were also no face shields provided and no masks to allow us to give rescue breaths with sanitary conditions. The lab we were in was set up for a phlebotomy class. One of the women laid the boxes of donuts on top of the biohazard box, even while they continued eating them! I was completely mortified!

Finally, she gave out the test. The three of us passed easily, however, the others got a LOT of answers wrong. She passed them anyway, allowing them to go over their tests...WITH THE ANSWER KEY and change their answers!!! The three of us who DID pass were made to wait around for the six of them to change their answers, instead of allowing us to leave with our certification. When they were finally done, the school administrator came in.

Do you believe she made us listen to a 45 minute solicitation speech as to why we should all continue our education at their school??? HELLO??? I am already an LPN bridging for my RN. The physical therapist was in the middle of getting her doctorate and the fitness trainer didn't need a CNA or LPN class! We had to sit there and listen to her address the CNA's about their continuing education. Mind you, NONE of these people passed the BLS/CPR class. Not one.

We are going to encourage these women to be LPN's now? Great.

We were finally able to leave, get our CPR certification cards and get the hell out of there.

I feel that I want to lodge a complaint, not only to the American Heart Association but to the Board of Nursing as well. These people are supposed to be representing the AHA during this certification. And, as far as the Board of nursing goes...I think they would be a bit dismayed to hear about how these people just slid through their classes.

Should I bother to blow the whistle in this case, or shut my mouth and just know NEVER to go back there again for recertification?

I am VERY angry about the situation. Advice?

I'm an American Heart Association Instructor and I'll tell you that this class was by no means acceptable. You should do your comunity a service and report it in order to make the necessary changes in staff. If classes in your community are of such poor quality, what kind of BLS efforts will be made on you or your family and friends if cardholders from these classes are the first responders on the scene. Pretty scary!

American Heart is an awesome organization and would welcome your feedback. How can they fix the problem if you don't tell them about it? They have an easily accessible web site...should take just a few minutes to report it. All of your concerns are valid and I cringe to think that students would be subjected to that experience. I think American Heart will too. Thanks for taking the time to let them know.

I would also contact the school that sponsored the class and let them know what goes on behind this instructor's door. Let them know that you were very unsatisfied and will be making other arrangements in two years when it's time to re-certify. If they don't care enough to look into it then they'll deserve the inevitable loss of students.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
REPORT IT!!!!!

how would you feel if your life depended on the knowledge exhibited by the students?

I second this.

I'd hate to have been a first-time learner in that class. I'd also hate it if that kind of education is what a pt. is depending on for me to help them in their emergency.

Specializes in TCU,ICU,OHRR,PACU,5Solid Organ Transplan.

Report it. These same people may very well get through LPN school!! I am a RN x 17 years. All these "creative" or "accelerated" programs are a crock of ****. In my state, if you have a degree in ANYTHING, you can receive a 2 year nsg degree after going to school for only 1 year!!! So I could have a basic Arts and Sciences degree, go to "nursing school" for 1 year and be a RN?!?!! It's harder to become a CNA!!!

Specializes in Neuro.
Report it. These same people may very well get through LPN school!! I am a RN x 17 years. All these "creative" or "accelerated" programs are a crock of ****. In my state, if you have a degree in ANYTHING, you can receive a 2 year nsg degree after going to school for only 1 year!!! So I could have a basic Arts and Sciences degree, go to "nursing school" for 1 year and be a RN?!?!! It's harder to become a CNA!!!

I'm not going to say much about this because it's off topic, but accelerated nursing programs are accredited in the same manner and held to the same standards are traditional nursing programs and are not a crock of anything, in general. No need to knock these programs. The education is the same, it is simply condensed into a shorter time frame. And it took me 2 weeks to become a CNA, so I disagree that it's harder at all.

Back on topic, I'd definitely report it. The behavior was clearly unacceptable and I doubt that it's appropriate for the school that held the class to advertise its programs to people in CPR class. The CPR class is an AHA class and should ONLY represent AHA. The school should really not butt in at all with its own agenda. I took my CPR at a fire station, but the chief didn't come in and encourage me to become a firefighter after I passed my test. That's just silly.

Report it. These same people may very well get through LPN school!! I am a RN x 17 years. All these "creative" or "accelerated" programs are a crock of ****. In my state, if you have a degree in ANYTHING, you can receive a 2 year nsg degree after going to school for only 1 year!!! So I could have a basic Arts and Sciences degree, go to "nursing school" for 1 year and be a RN?!?!! It's harder to become a CNA!!!

I am so sorry for going here, and I'm sure a mod will remove this post b/c it's going to go WAAAYYYY off topic, but I can't help it. I'm a student in one of these ABSN programs you're slamming (sixteen months - a "standard" BSN program only has FOUR SEMESTERS OR SO OF ACTUAL NURSING COURSES) and have formulated my own opinion of your stance based on your own words and "virtual actions" here, if you will. I will keep these views to myself.

What I will say is this: my sixteen-month ABSN program here at Duke is only about three weeks shorter than nearby UNC's "traditional" two-year program - which is, in reality, only five semesters of nursing courses - the same amount as most any BSN program. The only difference for me is I will go STRAIGHT through for sixteen months, with only about four weeks off spread out over that time period. Our summer session is as long as our semesters, during which we will cover two semester's worth of material. We cover the exact same material as traditional programs and have an outstanding NCLEX pass rate.

I have already proven my proficiency in arts and sciences by obtaining my first undergrad 'cum laude', and got straight A's in all my science prereqs (including a year of organic chemistry) before starting nursing school this past fall. Sixteen of my ABSN hours are at the Master's level and will transfer as graduate level courses when I pursue my ACNP degree - including Applied Statistics, Diagnostic Reasoning/Physical Assessment (the same one the NP students take), Nursing Research, and Pathophysiology. I'm currently in the Stats class - but I took the physical assessment course and MSN level Patho last semester, and got A's in both of them - no mean feat. So before you start slamming these "crock of ****" (your words) programs, stop to think - we're not quite as underqualified as you seem to believe we are.

That said (thanks to all for allowing me to vent) I will say that the OP should report this to every agency who needs to know. Keeping quiet exacerbates the problem. If someone doesn't report her, why would she stop being this ridiculous at any point?

Specializes in Med/Surg, Geri, Ortho, Telemetry, Psych.

After reading the original post, at first I thought maybe you should just let it go. But then, after thinking about it, I had a picture in my head of a person needing CPR and none of these people being able to perform it. And that really P'd me off. Even though I think you need to choose your battles, I think this is one that you should choose to take on. I would. I would call the American Heart Association, call the school and demand my money back, and call the State Board of Nursing. Good luck.:smokin:

Man!! I would be so p'd off!! I don't think I would have been able to keep my mouth shut... I just can't tolerate authority figures abusing their authority, and you should DEFINITELY report it!!

+ Add a Comment