Nursing Students Shafted - page 2
After reading several messages here I've come to the conclusion that we nursing students have to work twice as hard as someone who is getting their degree in another field like accounting, computers,... Read More
Oct 30, '02Occupation: Enroute to nursing career Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 124Originally posted by NurseDennie
Physics is easy.
I bet a few nursing students would disagree with you. A lot them struggle with Math and A&P, let alone Physics. Enough said.Last edit by MK2002 on Oct 30, '02
Oct 30, '02Occupation: Psychiatric Research Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 1,467; Likes: 6Oh, Dennie, I love your avatar.
I have to say Nursing school is more INTENSE than any other school I've done, primarily because of the clinical rotations. Plus there is the anxiety...you can't kill anyone if you, say, dangle a participle.
But I studied MUCH MORE for my French degree than I did for my nursing degree (French averaged 3-5 hours for each hour I spent in class; nursing averaged about an hour of study for each hour of lecture time). I studied less for the grad English lit classes than I did for the nursing classes (average of 30 minutes or less per class hour). In both cases, the amount of studying had a lot to do with how much prior knowledge I had.
Everyone's different and different courses are easy or hard depending on how your brain's wired and where your interests lie...and what you find "hard". For some people, memorization is difficult. For others, it's synthesis or writing or even just sitting in lecture.
I guess what I'm saying is that EVERYONE in EVERY degree program has a right to whine...
Oct 30, '02Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 357; Likes: 5I always wanted to get a degree in Nude Underwater Basketweaving, but for some crazy insane reason my local community college just doesn't offer it. What is wrong with the world when you can't do one simple thing!!!
Oct 30, '02Occupation: Nurse Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 12,715; Likes: 2Originally posted by MK2002
Her plans might not work out well at this time of year. Besides, I think all those Good Humor ice cream truck drivers are men, aren't they?
Oct 31, '02Occupation: Mental health nurse Joined: May '02; Posts: 73; Likes: 10where I go theand all the clinical stuff just counts as pass or fail. how annoying no credits either it is required. all that time !
Oct 31, '02Occupation: student Joined: Mar '02; Posts: 118; Likes: 3hey there guys and girls
I just wanted to add my honest opinion here. I know nothing about a CS major, but I am a senior in my BSN at SUNY Buffalo, as well as been pre med for the last four years(earning a BA in biology) and I can tell you that classes like physics are simplistic compared to the workload of the nursing classes I have taken. Now note I did not say in terms of content easier(although once I made myself want to learn physics and except the concepts it's easy to me) The studying I had to do for physics and pre med sciences are a walk in the park compared to the intesnsity of the nursing program. But this is just my honest experience, and I have done both for the last 4 years simultaneously so yes I can honestly compare. Good luck to all
Oct 31, '02Occupation: student Joined: Mar '02; Posts: 118; Likes: 3oh and I got an A- in college physics(university level), but believe me I think I have gotten smarter since high school because I HATED physics in high school. I thought it was foreign, but it was that I was refusing to even give it a chance yay me.....
Nov 2, '02Occupation: registered nurse Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 1,083; Likes: 14obtaining a nursing degree is much harder than equal degrees in other areas. I have an MBA, BS in computer technology, as well as a BSN, of all the BSNwas by far the hardest thing i ever done.
don't you all think we as nurses should be compensated for this
Nov 2, '02Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 3,872; Likes: 18[QUOTE]Originally posted by MK2002
[B]Computers? Are you joking?!
Advanced Discrete Mathematics
What the hell is that?:roll
Add 2 + 2 but don't tell anyone....be discreet....
Nov 2, '02Occupation: Enroute to nursing career Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 124I wanted this discussion to end, but since it keeps going....
To address your question, those math classes are complex courses beyond Calculus. Theorems and proofs are the norm. These are not the simple Geometry proofs encountered in high school. They are way more difficult, requiring a lot of creative thinking. There are very few examples from which to learn. With Calculus as a prerequisite, you get some idea of how challenging these other courses will be. In fact, a post graduate level textbook was used in my Advanced Discrete Mathematics class. "Discrete", NOT "Discreet". For the record, the actual course titles were "Discrete Structures" and "Advanced Discrete Structures". The title choice varies with the university. I listed the more familiar form. Send an e-mail if you really want to know more.
Sorry, but I disagree with all of you on those other points, such as Physics. The posts I keep reading refer to easier courses or degrees such as College Physics or Computer Technology. If you think a CS degree is easy, then I suggest that you complete it. You will have plenty of stress when you run the risk of being one of the students who drop out during the first month of any course. At that time when you look around half the class is gone--and so will be your financial aid if you are one of them.
We will never agree on these issues, so can we drop this discussion now? It is getting a bit tiring. I am not going to respond to further posts. I suppose someone will be dying to sneak in a last word. If it makes you feel superior, then go right ahead.
Nov 2, '02Occupation: brand new grad Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 315Compared to what I went through with CS, getting a BSN will be a breeze. Work twice as hard? Sorry, but you have no idea what real work is. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, I think what you have to say totally depends on the person. My husband graduated from Vanderbuilt with a CS degree (Magna Cum Laude) and went on to get his masters in CS from UTK. Whereas he did have to study a great deal, he looks at what I do now and says itis hard and it seems to him sometimes excessive (especially Pathophysiology - I have a teacher who wants us to "MASTER" the subject, even Doctors have to look up the answers to the stuff she is asking - I know I will appreciate it later, but right now...anyways that is another subject). It also depends on the school. SOme CS programs may be easier than others and some are easier than others as well. I don't think it is fair to compare two completly different programs at different schools.
Also I don't think anyone is comparing CS 101 to all of a CS program. That would be silly.
I also am not trying to be superior. I don't feel superior over anyone. I am just saying both programs can be extremly difficult and that people should not be fighting over which is harder. My husband and I never even considered it to be an issue. We just do what each of us is good at and respect the other for being able to do what they do.Last edit by det01 on Nov 2, '02
Nov 2, '02Occupation: Student Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 145originally posted by mk2002
computers? are you joking?!
advanced discrete mathematics
what the hell is that?:roll
add 2 + 2 but don't tell anyone....be discreet....
lol!!!!!!!!!!!:roll :d :roll
that's funny stuff!
Nov 2, '02Occupation: Student Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 145i don't want to continue the argument here... i just want to put my thinking on the table...
before i came back to school, i was working in construction accounting (specifically accts. payable) and it was very hard and very stressful...one day i was sitting at home worrying about work, developing ulcers and i thought to myself...self: you are killing yourself for a job that doesn't matter!! we are worried about getting materials and meeting deadlines and schmoozing our big clients....
there are no lives on the line here...we are not going to alter the direction of a person and their families lifepath... we are not given the opportunity to create real change
so, as hard as nursing school is (and i find it really hard) i always remind myself that in the end - the stress will have more depth, the lows will be very low, the highs will be very high and i'll always know i'm making a real difference
and then i say to myself...self: should i go back to construction??? kidding
most university degrees are going to be challenging - some more than others - most def...
we wanna be nurses...and for many of us nursing school is torture but the good news is that i've had several nurses tell me school is more brutal than the real thing...
blah blah blah - i think i'm rambling now...