Would You Pray if your Patient asked? - page 15
If a patient asked you to pray with or for them at the bedside, would you? I had this discussion with some other nurses and the responses were interesting. Some said they would have no problem,... Read More
Oct 15, '02Originally posted by Susy K
My statement was more so that to ASSUME that if you mention the term god you are covering all aspects of the religions, you may be entirely incorrect.
Sure, Allah is a "god" of sorts, but he is referred to as such, not God as Christians (and yes, sorry for leaving out Jews in my initial post) and Jews refer to Him.
If I were praying to Allah, and you called Allah "God," I think I might have to correct you.
Oct 15, '02Good point, Val. I had no clue what Wiccan was (still don't really have a good idea) until I came on this board.
I did make the mistake of asking clergy what Wicca was and I won't even go into what their reply was. I'll just say I determined after their answer it was something I was going to have to research in an unbiased way! :chuckle
Oct 15, '02Actually, "Allah" IS the same thing as God. The most user-friendly article you'll ever read on the subject: Ten Things Everyone Should Know About Islam
Oct 15, '02Spirituality is universal. Different faith traditions may address their Supreme Being as God, Allah, Jehovah, Earth Goddess or whatever; the whole point is to reach out to something or Someone greater than ourselves, who cares about us and looks after us. I'm a "non-practicing" Catholic who believes in a personal God, but I've seen too much of His greatness to believe that He can ever be confined to any one church or religion. I believe all faiths have something to offer humanity, thus I have never felt uncomfortable praying with patients of any religious persuasion. In the wake of 9/11, at an interfaith candlelight vigil for the victims, I found myself standing next to the leader of our local Muslim community; he was there, as the other 300+ people were there, to remember the lost and to pray for our nation's healing. I realized once again how in God's eyes, we all really are the same, and that goes for patients too---they need the assurance that someone, somewhere, loves them and will protect them from harm. I don't judge nurses who are uncomfortable with praying for/with their patients, but the times I've done so have created some of my own most memorable moments as a nurse.
Oct 16, '02Originally posted by Susy K
Isn't God (with a capital G, denoting the difference) usually a Christian diety? The others you mentioned are more so gods and goddesses, not God "proper," as in Greek gods, etc.
If you look in the literature of pagan (non Jedeo/Christian) faiths they all spell God and Goddess and their names with capital letters.
god therefore refers to a non recognized God. Christians spell gods and goddess because they do not recognize more than one God and do not recognize a goddess.
I am open to recognizing any representation of the deity simply because I do not know all the answers when it comes to this issue. I suspect any God that exists is pretty big and all encoupasing. I suspect that as many religions suggest the name of the diety is unspeakable. I suspect we have created an immage (immages) of God that we can relate to. Not the other way around.
Catholics see God as Father Son and Holy Spririt, in one person. Some prostant denominations argue that that is polytheism and therefore God can only be one of these.
Catholicism argues that these are different names, different sides of one God.
I therefore argue that the various names of Gods are recognizing and acknowledging different sides of God. I see God as multifacited, having a complex nature therefore recognizing those various sides is not out of line. Jesus is one side the Father is another. The Goddess is another; the Catholic Church frequently refers to the feminine side of God. etc.Last edit by Agnus on Oct 16, '02
Oct 16, '02The muslim faith just as the Christian faith come from the Jewish faith.
Muslims were Jews. This particular group of Jews followed the profit Mohamad.
Christians followed the profit who was declaird the son of God, Jesus.
Muslims, Christians and Jews are different aspects of the same base religion. Looking at their origins Muslims have much in common with Christians.
This is why it is Jews, Christians and Muslims who fight with each other. They all have the same parent religion. It is a kind of sibling rivalry.
Oct 16, '02Some one on this list asked if we were taught much abou this in Nursing Classes.
NO. This is an arguement for an extensive broad liberal arts education.
There is frequently an arguement made that we as nurses don't need non nursing courses to do our job that study of literature or history, or art etc contribute nothing to nurising.
I draw on art, culture, history, philosophy, all the humananities, and studies of religion in the comments that I have made here.
But that is another thread.
Oct 16, '02Absolutely. I pray for them when they don't ask. I couldn't imagine someone turning ME down if I were sick and asking for a prayer. How sad and disappointing if someone said no.
Oct 16, '02To those who expressed an interest in discovering an understanding of Wicca.
I just went and checked my e mail and what do I find but a poem from my daughter titled. "Grandma Got Runover By a Broomstick" Set to the Tune of "Grandma Got Runover By a Reindeer." Wiccans love to laugh at themselves.
She got it off the site I am about to send you to. I took a very quick cursery look at the site enough to get a feel that you will likely get good information.
Who says the Goddess doesn't work in mysterious ways. What timing.
Wander around the site. There appears to be a lot of good information.
Be aware however, as I forgot to check this out. If there is a charge for teaching then run don't walk it is not a legitamate Wiccan site. A real Wiccan will not charge to give you information or for teaching. Granted there are books that may be recomended and Books do cost money. But see if she charges for classes. (Even though you are likely not interested in classes) This is a mark of someone posing as Wiccan but is not. consequently you would be getting some very wrong information.
Wiccan practice forbids charging to teach anyone. Also be aware in investigating this religion that prostalizing if forbidden. So if someone ever tries to recruite you or get you to join something run. This in not what Wiccans do.
Unfortuantely there are groups out there that call themselves Wiccan that are wholly ignorant of what Wicca is. They like the Idea of the dark side and this is not what we are talking about. Wicca does not believe in a devil, nor promote anything illegal. It forbids harming anything or anyone.
The TV show "Charmed" is about as close to Wicca as Nursing is to commiting murder. It has nothing to do with Wicca and is not a representation of that faith.
Just some caveats if you plan to investigate this.
Almost forgot the site is: http://www.ladybridget.com/index.htmlLast edit by Agnus on Oct 16, '02
Oct 16, '02Yes, and would lead the prayer if asked to do so. But if it was reversed and I was needing prayer? I'd call people who I knew could get a prayer to the God I worship. Let's face it, what good is it if I'm praying to God, Father to Jesus if the person I asked to pray for me is praying to the God of Captian Crunch or The Lord of the Rings? Might as well pray by myself!
Oct 16, '02Originally posted by rebelwaclause
Yes, and would lead the prayer if asked to do so. But if it was reversed and I was needing prayer? I'd call people who I knew could get a prayer to the God I worship. Let's face it, what good is it if I'm praying to God, Father to Jesus if the person I asked to pray for me is praying to the God of Captian Crunch or The Lord of the Rings? Might as well pray by myself!