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Dec 2, '99If nursing was not my first passion and I held a degree in something else prior to my BSN, I would be satisfied as well, especially if my experience in my first area of interest was not self fulling personally or financially.
But for the nurses who have been in this field from the beginning, I feel your pain.
There are times in which I feel I do not know my patients like I should in order to provide holistic care to my patient as taught in nursing school. I only have time to treat the physical aspect of my patients problem. I am a critical care nurse, for the most part I enjoy what I do but the pay does not "cut the cheese". Full time pay $18.00
(Maryland,Virginia) PRN $28.00, well of course I chose PRN. At one hospital in Virginia Housekeeping department was cut. There is one person assigned to your unit for that duty, if that person is absent then the nurse tech or the RN has to clean the room (toilet, floor, bed, sink etc.) Can you believe that is part of the orientation. WHO SAYS NURSES GET PAID WELL?
Dec 2, '99I never wanted to be a nurse..but got burnt out in another field and decided that the adn program was the fastest way to get an education and into a field that seemed to be respected, & make a decent wage..when i started nursing school and began to see that nusring was so much more than a job i began to fall in love with it. the challanges ,, the long hours the pay all just appeal to me.
yes some times it gets to be too much and sometimes the Docs act like you don't now your butt from a bed pan. but for the most part i wouldn't trade this for anything. so after all that Yes i am happy with my career.
nursing isn't just a job..it's a lifestyle
Dec 3, '99I am an RN, BSN in NE pennsylvanina. I love nursing, not for the money, obviously, but for the patients.
SALARY IN OUR AREA STARTS AT $12.50 PER HOUR WITH ONE YEAR EXPERIENCE RN. AS FOR THE OVERTIME, WHY DO WE HAVE TO WORK 50-60 HOURS A WEEK TO MAKE A LIVING?
LPN's start at $10 CNA's @8-9/hr. so why don't we get paid during our big nursing shortage? because, adrieen, we are replaced by TECHS, A TECH IS AN UNLICENSED ASSISTIVE PERSONELL THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING, EVEN TRAINED TO HOOK UP DIALYSIS TO A PATIENT AND MONITOR IT. Only if they are a tech level III. our patients love there nurses, but with all the different titles, and nursing department on their tags, it is difficult to know who is who. So yes, we should complain about the lack of pay, and the lack of respect and we should look to each other for support, their are a lot of nurses in all areas and if we came together instead of fighting with each other than maybe we could get what we deserved.
Did you know that an LPN in our state can monitor an already existing central line? I ordered a copy of our state board of nursing practice act and that was a notice that was attached. Did you know that pharmacists in our area start at $30 and they are BSN degree? the solution is that we need some kind of homogentiy in nursing. A nurse is a person with a "degree". we all need to have the same degree so that people know what they get. Not a 18month degree or a 24month degree or a 3 year degree or a 4year degree, a nurse has a blank yr degree and we need to all go out and get it. there are plenty of on line and at home schools now where we can all go out and get our BSN's and start at the 30/hr our pharmacists start at. or at least all start at 20.
Dec 3, '99oh and for the traveling nurses, you mostly have to pay for your own lodging and expenses and their cases are around large cities, not too good if you don't live by one. and there are no benefits for the family. It's a good opportunity if you are single, but most of the students in our nursing schools are single mothers.
*** the cost of school, most hospitals and agencies offer tuition reimbursement. our manager is going for her BSN one class at a time for free. check out scholorships, you'd be surprised.
*** where else can you make such great money with an associates degree and equivicating nursing with a degree in history, YOU CAN'T KILL SOMEONE if you tell them the wrong date of the civil war.
And you with the AD degree, you are responsible for lives, and checking out the order of a person with an MEDICAL degree who went to medical school. Don't belittle yourself or your career, it is statements like this that have non-degree techs doing our jobs, because we are all blanketed under the lowest degree needed for our job.
If you knew that your childs teacher had only recieved her associates degree, how much of an education do you feel your child would get? all teachers are BSN and up, why as a profession do we allow ourselves to be split down in category to just a person with an AD degree, that goes to work and gets paid well (HA HA)?
we are much more than that, we are nurses, the people resposible for patients lives and that check doctors, pharmacists, therapists, to make sure they don't make a mistake. and let me ask you this, if they do make a mistake, who is the one ultimatley responsible???? the person that is looked upon as replacable and underpaid, understaffed and overworked. think about it.
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Dec 3, '99I still love nursing, but not my current employment situation. The problems where I work all stem from management. I work in a Birthing center that has been open for 5 1/2 years and we have had 6 managers!! We have had no consistency! This has lead to nervous, dissatisfied nurses. We have really felt unprotected and exposed because we have had no leadership. Upper management has been very unsupportive. What could be a great situation in a small unit has been a nightmare!! We have lost nurses left and right. I am also leaving to become a travel nurse. Most travel nurse companies provide free housing, free insurance and many other benefits. I am single so it will be great for me.
Money has never been the most important thing to me! I make a comfortable living. I think that the patient is always the loser when there are problems in our hospitals. That is what breaks my heart everyday in our profession. Most of us got into nursing to take care of patients, but what we mostly take care of is paperwork and insurance companies. Not a pretty picture is it?
Dec 4, '99I don't care if someone has an msn/bsn/or an adn being book smart is nothing..we have all worked with the book smart nurse that knows how everything sould go and can't function if her patients illness doesn't follow the prescribed path..
its bedside smart that counts and that you get at the BEDSIDE.. of course you need a good base of nursing knowledge and that you get in all of the nursing degree programs..
I remain happy in my field because i like being at the bedside and always there is something new to learn there
nursing isn't just a job..it's a lifestyle
Dec 6, '99First of all let me state that I have not read any of the other postings in this site.Am I happy with my present nursing position? YES!! (At the risk of having nurses flocking to my place of employment I and the hospital I work for will remain unknown). I work in a 150 bed hospital, although our facility usually has a census of <75/day.I work on a MED-SURG unit. Ortho,vascular,urological,chest tubes, PICCS, TPN, Port-A-Caths, chemo, tube feedings,blood qd, etc. The unit is small 22 max beds. A unit coordinator, 4-5 RN's and 3-4 CNA's. 12 hr shifts (4 days off, hardly ever work 3 in row) Yes it's hectic some times. Hate those darn beepers but a "quiet" hospital ( VERY little overhead paging and I use vibrate mode) is a nice touch. Very good rapport with MD's because we have trained them well to be respectful of our assessment skills and abilities. There are no free lunches. Usual assignment is 4 maybe 5 patients on days and 5-6 on nights. Nurses have to take some of the responsibility for their environment. Speak up!!!!! Use the phase "I'm a patient advocate" it will take you farther than you think. Show interest in others needs and desires. Smile, that's one contagious disease that everyone wants to acquire. Be genuine. Fight for others needs and you may be surprised at what comes back to you. Help each other when you can and accept and ask for help when you need it......... Oh, by the way I've been an RN for 3 1/2 years, but I was an LPN for 17. Been at the present job for 11 years.
Dec 14, '99I am satisfied with my current position because of the excellent staffing my acute care unit maintains. I generally have 4 patients on a telemetry unit, which is great. I now need to find a new job closer to my home (I recently moved) and can't find any other facility that staffs this well. On the down side, the pay is very low for the area in which I live. In my opinion, the trade off is worth it.
Feb 21, '00My personal experience with nursing has been a negative one. My previous career in the Marine Corps and private sector have made the problems in nursing intensified. I attended a BSN program, which was very difficult. Since becoming nurse, on a Telemetry unit, I have found my job very dissatisfying while receiving little respect. Nurses have huge amounts of responsibility with no power. We are a non-entity in a Physcian run health care system. Physcians talk to nurses like their dirt and have no respect for their input. This basically leaves nurses with zero input on patient care!!! The private sector would never let individuals get treated like nurses do. Why does the medical profession allow it? The magnitude of this problem is evident when we look at the current nursing shortage. In Maine, which is where I live, there are approximatly 2500 hundred RN openings. When the starting wage is 16-20 dollars Per/Hr for a new nurse, and this shortage still exists, we can easily see the magnitude of this problem. It is not about money, it is about coming home at night and feeling good about your involvement in a patients course of treatment. Currently I feel like a subservant maid, who is expected to bow down to physcians due to their title. I too did very well in school and could have persued many academic avenues, but I chose nursing due to my nature of wanting to help others. I am currently looking for another opportunity outside of Nursing........ Very dissappointed in Maine....
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Feb 21, '00I'm seriously thinking about going back to school and getting my RN. I've been a LPN for 6 yrs now. At first I loved it, then reality set in LOL. It's true the stress is high, we're understaffed and the pay is low. I make $10/hr. The RN's where i work start out (0-5 yrs experience) at $15.00/hr. What I'm mostly fraustrated as an LPN is the lack of opportunity to advance (without returning to school for a RN degree). Seems LPN is a dead end road. With a RN you have the opportunity for Supervisor, DON, ADON and so on. It seems not to matter if you have an associates or a bachelors degree. I was a CNA prior to being an LPN and I decided to go back to school when i felt i was at a dead end road then as well.
One thing I've noticed reading the posts, and i dont understand it, is why is there such a big pay difference in LPNs and RNs but not LPNs and CNAs. Where i work like i said a RN makes $15+, LPN $10-11 tops and the CNAs $8-9/hr. Seems the gap should be smaller between the LPN and RN. A CNA trains for 100 hours in my state, a LPN for 1 1/2 yrs and an RN for 2 years. A CNA doesn't have the responsibility of meds, IVs, other invasive procedures and so on. So why's there such a small wage difference. Also where i work the only difference in LPN and RN is a RN can hang blood. So why's there such a large pay difference? Just curious.
Also i've read in some of the posts that people didnt get into nursing for the money. That may not have been the biggest reason, but for most of us it has a big influence. Not many people work for the fun of it! Working in the medical field is a big responsiblity, we're dealing with peoples' lives and I feel we should be well compensated for it! One mistake could cost someone their life and us our license. Seems this too would cause for some kind of legislation demanding staffing in facilities to be more adequate for patient loads.
Feb 22, '00MaxNurse-
You raised some interesting issues! Hard to believe that LPNs make little more than a CNA! With all the responsibilty that a nurse has- I find the lack of adequate wages insulting. The starting wages at my facility (day shift, acute care)is as follows: Nurse's aid-$10./hr, LPN- $15/hr, RN-$22./hr. Add on shift diff & experience. As for the difference between RN & LPN- sometimes you couldn't tell, if the name tags didn't say so!
According to my state nursing practice act, the difference between LPN and RN is that LPNs are considered "skilled nurses" and their patient assessment is considered "data collection." The RN is considered the "professional nurse." According to the practice act, the RN is the one responsible for synthesizing assessment data & analyzing/formulating a care plan and interventions.
The state law indicates that RNs have more knowledge,theory,skills,and depth of education to make advanced decisions.By law the RN has to assess & directly observe each patient that the LVN cares for.Therefore, RNs receive the higher pay for the increased responsibility of assessment and care decisions.That's supposed to be the difference between LPN & RN- in answer to your question.
I know LPN/LVN scope of practice varies from state to state (which makes the whole LPN/RN distinction more blurry).Have you looked at other employers in your area to see if they pay more appropriately? Maybe worth a look.Good luck in your studies & in finding a "light" at the end of the road...
Feb 22, '00kona2
Seems your facility has a better wage gap, than where I work. Basically it's the same overall in the area I live. For instance, i have a friend that works in a local nursing home, she's an LPN making $7.25, the CNAs make $6.35 and the RNs make $12.00. They too complain about the small gap between the LPNs and CNAs. Most LPNs find it insulting. Recently the CNAs got a raise (they were making minimum wage!) which i feel was well deserved, CNA work is back breaking! But this raise left the LPNs at that facility feeling unappreciated and insulted. I understand and appreciate the fact that RNs go to school longer, go more indepth in disease process and management. I have no problem with their wages, I feel they deserve it. Yet it is dishearting to the LPNs in my area that we don't make more. The wages in your area seem very fair for all involved. I wish it were more like that here. I will probably return to college for a RN degree. Not just because of the increase in money, but for the opportunity of advancement it holds. Also I've notice that most of the specialties require a RN degree. I've an associate degree in correctional science and would like to specialize in that area, perhaps forensic nursing.
Feb 22, '00I graduated in 1997 with my ADN. At 30 -something, this was a big challenge for me to go back to school to get this degree!! I had a two year old and three pre-teen sons at the time. It took me EIGHT years to get this degree. Many obstacles stood in my way, my husband and I lost our fathers during this time to cancer, etc. After starting to work, I realized nursing was not what I had hoped it would be. I still enjoy nursing...at times...most of the time it is frustrating, not because of the pay, but because we nurses are FORCED to do what I call "Flyby-nursing" doing only the minimal care because we have so many other tasks to be done. There are the rare moments when I can give the all around care to a patient and on those days, I go home feeling very satisfied, but these days have become farther and farther between.
A year ago, I decided to make a change. I became MY OWN BOSS and now own a preventative health/ alternative medicine business. It has allowed me to help many others realize their dreams of good health and a good income. Also, I have gone to PRN nursing. PRN nursing is great! I dont' have to get all wrapped up in the "politics" at the facilities I work in making the time I spend there more enjoyable.
There are many options out there for nurses. If you find yourself totally frustrated and disillusioned, check out your options. It sure made a difference in my life, and the lives of other nurses I have helped along the way.