Fraternization (non-nursing question)

ImThatGuy, BSN, RN · Dec 26, 2010

I would imagine you could not do that. There would be citizenship issues perhaps, but definitely it would damage your security clearance. I've never been in the military, but it seems you could, in the future, very well find yourself sleeping with the enemy if you did this. Choose the military or the relationship. I'd say you couldn't have both. If you can, I'm calling my senator. I think that's stupid. No offense.

luvbug080688 · Dec 26, 2010

oh, i don't intend to do both by any means. i am merely curious to be completely honest. i am stationed overseas and it got me thinking. i assumed it wasn't possible but wanted to know for sure. i'd prefer to really know the answer then to just assume i knew the answer.

thanks!

RN1980 · Dec 26, 2010

an officer and enlisted can have a relationship providing the officer is not in direct command of the enlisted. i have met and kow of many a sgt. that was dating a lt or even 0-4's. matter of fact my co. commander in the 11th acr was engaged to a e-7 in finance.

Wisconsinbee · Dec 27, 2010

Officer and enlisted cannot have a personal relationships such as RN 1980 described under regulation AR 600-20 and the UCMJ, Article 134. However, the enforcement of either the regualtion or UCMJ is up to local commanders and they may be turning a blind eye due to the current OPTEMPO. Not to say they may not get more interested in enforcement in the future. It's definitely a no go if they are in the same command.

AJpcvRN · Dec 27, 2010

I don't know about someone in a foreign military but I know of a Navy doctor married to a civilian from a foreign country. Her security clearance went fine (they were married before her commission) and his citizenship was contingent on their marriage regardless of her military status.

Weneferd · Dec 28, 2010

I wouldn't do it. An officer and enlisted can not have a relationship regardless of chain of command or wing. Your career is nit worth it.

luvbug080688 · Dec 28, 2010

oh don't worry. i have no intention on jeapordizing my career before it even gets started. i am well aware of the fact that enlisted personel are for all intents and purposes, off limits. i was merely curious if the regulation was cross-countries or not.

thanks to everyone for all of the replies.

Jarnaes · Dec 28, 2010

I would be very, very carful. You could gain a lot of unwanted attention from the military intel guys, and possibly lose you clearance, and even go to jail.

Are you sure of the intentions of the foreign soldier? You may be one of his/her intel targets...

What seems like an innocent friendship to you may be far from it.

I know this sounds paranoid, but there are many reason why we do the SAEDA (Subversion and Espionage Directed Against the US Army) briefings. Don't become the next example of what not to do.

luvbug080688 · Dec 28, 2010

Oh la la. No, no. No other country guy at all. No intentions to watch out for at all.

CRF250Xpert · Dec 29, 2010

If the real question is: “I’m an American officer and I want to date a host county enlisted person – is that fraternization?”

The short answer is YES.

Grade and rank equivalents are recognized in your host nation (oops – civilians too like Blackwater. Don’t forget CIA, FBI, FDA, etc). No mater where you are, you need to remember that you are an O and it carries a great deal of responsibility.

Gen X, Y, Z doesn’t place much weight on responsibility or integrity so the real answer is “party like a rock star”. If they catch you, tell ‘em to “f-off crusty”.