50% Failed!!!!!

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I am not yet in the nursing program but making my way there. Our program is in a small town and at a tech school. The program is very challenging though. I was just astonished to hear the stats of last semester. The third sem is Acute Care and out of 80 students 40 failed and are re-taking the class. That scares me. has anyone else heard of something like this happening in there school. I wander why they keep giving us these stats, to scare us off or what. WHEW!!!:uhoh3:

Specializes in Day program consultant DD/MR.

While the schools like high GPA students when it comes down to it they need ppl to pass Nclex. IMO the schools would rather see a 50% drop rate while the student is still in school rather than a 100% graduating class and a 50% pass rate on boards....it a business to them....If the rate of student passing boards is to low their accredition can be pulled, because state board looking at the institute a failing if they can't produce passing students. If the students drop out while in program for either grades or personal reasons I don't think the states hold the school accountable.

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Specializes in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds.
As I think you know, it is socially acceptable to "pick on" smart people, rich people, and fat people. If similar generalizations and assumptions were made about other groups of people (based on age, gender, religion, or race), it would be considered bigotry and be unacceptable. But somehow, many people feel it is "OK" to be prejudiced against smart people and/or people who work hard to succeed.

It's a shame that so many people in our society feels that way.

Back to the issue about high failure rates in nursing programs ....

In some programs, bad grades may be an indication of bad teaching. I won't deny that. But in many other instances, bad grades are due to the fact the some students just aren't academically ready for collegel-level work and/or aren't emotionally ready to make the necessary committment to study hard enough to get good grades. They think an hour or two per night of homework is enough.

An hour or two of homework per night is what I had in 5th grade. Full time college attendance should be the equivalent of a full time job. If you have class for 4 hours, you should expect to spend another 4 hours doing homework. If you have the "day off" from class, you should expect to spend at least 6 hours doing schoolwork. etc. Some people aren't prepared for making that level of committment.

A most excellent post, llg :up:

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While the schools like high GPA students when it comes down to it they need ppl to pass Nclex. IMO the schools would rather see a 50% drop rate while the student is still in school rather than a 100% graduating class and a 50% pass rate on boards....it a business to them....If the rate of student passing boards is to low their accredition can be pulled, because state board looking at the institute a failing if they can't produce passing students. If the students drop out while in program for either grades or personal reasons I don't think the states hold the school accountable.

That's true ... but isn't that the way it should be? It wouldn't be fair to take the students money and keep passing them along in their course only to see them fail to become nurses at the end. That's why State Boards have the requirement that schools must have a certain NCLEX pass rate: it's to protect the students from schools who would take the students' money even though the student could not perform at a level high enough to become an RN.

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Med-Surg is the kicker at our school.

I spoke to 3 who did just graduate in Dec. but all failed Med-Srug the first time around.

Another friend, who had A' & B's failed and on her retake passed.

Another student who was A's & B's failed and is retaking the class now.

One class had a 70% fail rate for Med-Surg. I am beginning to wonder why, other than it's a fast track, 7 weeks with clinical 2 days/week, preplan, class T,Th, F an 18 page clincial worksheet that the student is tested on the day of clinic with a one day preplan.

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Specializes in Day program consultant DD/MR.
That's true ... but isn't that the way it should be? It wouldn't be fair to take the students money and keep passing them along in their course only to see them fail to become nurses at the end. That's why State Boards have the requirement that schools must have a certain NCLEX pass rate: it's to protect the students from schools who would take the students' money even though the student could not perform at a level high enough to become an RN.

You made the point that I was actually trying to get accross.

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What I have discovered is the nursing program has 2 types of professors those who are and make great clinical instructors and those who are great educators!

Being a great nurse and one who performs well in the clinic, does not make them a nurse educator in the classroom, unfortunately, so many times, for whatever reason, there seems to be more nurses with very little formal educational backgrounds being hired to teach in the nursing schools!

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I find most of it is the student's attitude toward the program. Some people naturally procrastinate and some people think it's no big deal. From someone who had a full time job and the birth of our first child during nursing school, I'll tell you that's definately not the case. There were many days and nights where I would not see my newborn son because I was either in class or studying or working. The program is made to be difficult to weed out those who don't have the determination to succeed.

Don't be afraid. If you really want to be a nurse and are dedicated to that goal, you will be successful.:up:

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