Heard and read a report from NPR that mentioned the President's new war adviser, Lt. Gen. Lute, considers the return of the draft a possibility.
What effect do you think the draft would have on nurses in the military? Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated.
I'm not trying to start a discussion on the pro's or con's concerning the war in Iraq or Afghanistan. I'm merely trying to gather ideas as to how the draft, IF re-instituted, could effect nurses in the military.
I'm wondering if this could potentially change the demand for nurses? And, what about the incentives to join or retain if the military were no longer an all-volunteer service?
I don't know about the Korean War, but in the Vietnam era, a lot of docs got their education via the "Berry Plan". Bottom line, the military helped pay for Med School, so after their internship/residency, they "owed" military service. So they weren't exactly drafted.
Likewise, several students in my nursing school signed up w/the Army to pay for their last year of school (and give them a stipend as well). They went in as soon as they graduated. And many went straight to Vietnam. And had the post traumatic stress d/o to prove it.
BSN students could sign on to Army, Navy and Air Force as ROTC candidates, same deal.
ETA: I forgot that a lot of men got their draft deferred b/c they were in school, including med school, then got their draft notice after graduation.
I still have no clue what you are talking about. Derisive? You mean as in insulting? That is not my base of communication.
Possibly you are projecting from your own innate style.
I still have absolutely no idea where you are coming from or even how your reply here applies.
No worries though, I realize enough from your reply to know that we are not operating under the same principles.
Feel free to not reply back, as I REALLY have no CLUE what you are talking about.
Best,
Gennaver
Wow, looks like this is going down the slippery slope of poor communication.
The beginning of this thread was started by me with a few questions about the draft. The next reply, by another respondent, was an answer clarifying differences between enlisted and officers. Then your reply was "NEW GRADUATE pre NCLEX". My response was "No derision, thanks."
I then tried to clarify that I thought your statement came across as ridiculing me since you were making the judgement that I was a new graduate and pre NCLEX.
As you previously observed, we are strangers. How did you come to your erroneous conclusion that I was a pre NCLEX new graduate? New graduate, within the past year, yes. Pre NCLEX, no.
Now your making judgements about "projecting (my) own innate style." "Innate style"? Wow! I couldn't define my own "innate style". But, thanks for helping me. I always thought I came across as a polite and well-respected person. But, I suppose somewhere in this thread that sense of politeness and respect has been lost.
Again, I find it amazing that based on my replies, you see we don't operate under the same principles. Very insightful. I'm not willing to make the same statement, because I'll agree with a previous observation you made: we're strangers, and I don't know you.
Hey, it's been fun, if this has been playful banter. If it's grown into something more sinister, then that was not my intention. As I stated, I merely wanted to ask a few questions about the draft. Merely looking for information. I wasn't looking to cause any problems, but I guess that's what happened. My apologies.
Nonetheless, please feel free to write back because I value the freedom of speech. Maybe this is one principle we share, and if you're still looking for clues as to what I mean, then maybe I can clarify. Perhaps then you'll change your insightful judgements regarding my innate style and principles.
My sincere regards, and best wishes to you as well.
Another thought: I've tried to explain and clarify my comment regarding, "No derision. Thanks."
Would you please explain and/or clarify your comment, "NEW GRADUATE pre NCLEX"?
Perhaps if you would explain to whom your comment was directed; to whom you were referring; and the meaning or intention of your comment; then, we may have a better understanding of one another and clear up any mis-communication.
Moderator's comment: the ongoing argument is hijacking the thread. I suspect that one poster has misinterpreted the other's signature line, which is an old recruiting poster and the words "New Grad pre-NCLEX". I could be wrong, of course.
Suggest that further discussion take place via pms, or not @ all. This could have been a useful discussion, but if this disagreement continues, the moderators may consider closing the thread.
Moderator's comment: the ongoing argument is hijacking the thread. I suspect that one poster has misinterpreted the other's signature line, which is an old recruiting poster and the words "New Grad pre-NCLEX". I could be wrong, of course.
Suggest that further discussion take place via pms, or not @ all. This could have been a useful discussion, but if this disagreement continues, the moderators may consider closing the thread.
prmenrs, RN
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I don't know about the Korean War, but in the Vietnam era, a lot of docs got their education via the "Berry Plan". Bottom line, the military helped pay for Med School, so after their internship/residency, they "owed" military service. So they weren't exactly drafted.
Likewise, several students in my nursing school signed up w/the Army to pay for their last year of school (and give them a stipend as well). They went in as soon as they graduated. And many went straight to Vietnam. And had the post traumatic stress d/o to prove it.
BSN students could sign on to Army, Navy and Air Force as ROTC candidates, same deal.
ETA: I forgot that a lot of men got their draft deferred b/c they were in school, including med school, then got their draft notice after graduation.