Doc Shot At Kaiser Hosp in LA

sjoe · Sep 20, 2003

Another customer speaks out.

Katnip, RN · Sep 20, 2003

So, did the doc live or die?

obeyacts2 · Sep 20, 2003

What I find amazing is they know who the guy is, showed his pic on the moring news, and he is 79 years old and walks with a walker..........and the LAPD cant find him within a building?????? gee.....good thing he wasnt a good shot...... I had the idea maybe he targeted the doc.....a urologist...maybe unhappy with his tx......

Llaura

Geeg · Sep 20, 2003

The doc was taken to surgery and is in stable condition per news reports. I am really surprised that there are not more shootings like this. Since pts are so unhappy with care. Maybe there are, and they are just suppressed by hospitals. Imagine that!!

Katnip, RN · Sep 20, 2003

It's not just a lack of care. Patients often have unrealistically high expectations of perfection...they pay for care, they want to come out totally well.

Geeg · Sep 20, 2003

I think they have high expectations, and then docs reinforce this, when they say "Oh yeah, you'll be good as new, and you'll be out of the hospital in no time."

Katnip, RN · Sep 20, 2003

Granted, I don't have a lot of experience yet, but I haven't heard a doc make false promises yet. Not as a patient or as a nurse. Most these days, that I know, are pretty careful about covering their butts.

People know we have more technology, they read snippets of medicalese in books and on the internet, and they see it on television. I've had quite a few patients tell me, "well I saw this on ER, so my doctor should do the same." or "I read up on this on the internet, and this is what I have, so the doctor must be wrong."

I'm not saying care is perfect. Not by a long shot. But patients need to understand that taking responisibility for themselves does not mean self-diagnosis.

They also need to understand that even with modern medicine, there are no guarantees when it comes to human beings.

jnette, ASN, EMT-I · Sep 20, 2003

Originally posted by Geeg
I think they have high expectations, and then docs reinforce this, when they say "Oh yeah, you'll be good as new, and you'll be out of the hospital in no time."

Well, they've got HALF of it right, anyway... the pt. WILL be outta there in no time !!! Half dead perhaps, but the insurance comapany says SHIP 'EM OUT ! SEND 'EM HOME !

Coldfoot · Sep 20, 2003

Not that I am implying it is in any way ok to shoot people but......

Have you every recieved care from a Kaiser facility?

Never had a good experiance with that company and have received many patients that were made much worse by the care they recieved from Kaiser.

(Like the 83 yr old hip pn that had been ambulated to and from xray 3 times before the Fx was found. The poor man was SEATED in the exam room in tears when I arrived to transport and had recieved no PN control:( )

kmchugh · Sep 21, 2003

Originally posted by obeyacts2
What I find amazing is they know who the guy is, showed his pic on the moring news, and he is 79 years old and walks with a walker....

Sorry, but my black sense of humor kicked in. 79? On a walker? Escaped the hospital on foot (at least to the parking lot)?

Can anyone else see a SNL skit here? Maybe something al-la Tim Conway on the Carol Burnett show? You'd think security would have enough time to have a cup of joe and a donut on the way to lock down the hosptal!

I am glad the doc wasn't killed, but does anyone else have the mental image of the Keystone Cops?

Kevin McHugh

indie · Sep 21, 2003

I just have to put the other perspective, although I am so very sorry about the doctor, and, in some way, for the patient.

By choice, my health insurance has been with Kaiser for the past eleven years. I did this because they do have a philosophy of preventing illhealth with their detailed physicals, emphasis on immunization, booklet for home care etc.

I've been delighted with my care in SD which has included neurosurgery for herniated discs with radiating leg pain.