Flu shot issue - page 14

I get a flu shot every year without any problem, and took a flu shot at work this week. This flu shot hurt a lot. It burned going in, and literally made my eyes tear up. Usually it doesn't hurt at... Read More

  1. by   nursemarion
    Ha Ha Ha! conspiracy theories! Tin foil so they can't read our thoughts! Secret extermination campaigns! I love it! "Paranoia may destroy ya". Watch what you write here- they know where you live...
  2. by   citylights89
    It's not really a conspiracy theory when its right in front of your face. This stuff is no joke and no laughing matter. The world isn't spiraling out of control for no reason. But maybe Bill Gates isn't a hypocrite. He's as truthful as anyone else. :/
  3. by   holisticallyminded
    I wasn't recycling insults. I'm the tin foil hat gal. I was merely responding to the original insult that continues to get recycled (and intended for me).
    I actually find it hillarious that some of these arguements are written off. That's how things seem to work these days. Too many people sleeping.
    I'm actually not attacking anyone in particular and haven't yet. I don't need personal attacks to discredit my adversaries because they don't have any new arguments. It's the groupthink that I question. Believing the party line has become absolute DOGMA......and for people who have claimed to have studied SCIENCE. Why? Instead of the personal attacks, why not PROVE to me that vaccines are safe without using the vaccine manufacturers information to back yourself up. Can you even do that? If you've been paying attention to the previous posts, you'd know that the CDC, the FDA, the AMA and the APA don't count because there are too many conflicts of interest. So then, what independent studies? Show me. They don't exist. But hey, I dare you. Send me the links.
  4. by   Gluteus Maximus
    Quote from holisticallyminded
    I wasn't recycling insults.
    I was referring to the poster I quoted.
  5. by   Laidback Al
    Adding some science to the discussion. . .

    Study supports flu vaccine efficacy in young children

    Lisa Schnirring * Staff Writer

    Nov 24, 2010 (CIDRAP News) – Doubts about flu vaccine effectiveness in children younger than 2 years have kept some countries from recommending immunization for them, but Finnish researchers presented promising data yesterday that they say might prompt some to reconsider. . .

    In a prospective, nonrandomized cohort trial, the Finnish researchers found that the vaccine was 66% effective in children younger than 3 years and wasn't accompanied by adverse events. Their findings appeared yesterday in an early online report from Lancet Infectious Diseases. The investigation was part of a larger trial on antiviral treatment in children.
    CIDRAP >> Study supports flu vaccine efficacy in young children


    The Lancet Infectious Diseases, Early Online Publication, 23 November 2010
    doi:10.1016/S1473-3099(10)70263-2 Cite or Link Using DOI

    Influenza in young children: burden, immunisation, and policy

    Mark C Steinhoff
  6. by   nursemarion
    Listen, the world is most definitely out of control. We are overpopulated which is at the root of it. The thing is you have to be rational about it. The mission of those who create vaccines is to help people. Not only that but the United States has nothing to gain as a country from any sinister plots against its own people. Perhaps the powers that be are hoping that we will buy into the vaccine program and when the big global pandemic hits, which it will, we will be the survivors. We who live in democratic nations can then go on to fix the messed-up world. Doesn't that make more sense?

    Taxpayers, structure, continued operation of the machine, these things are needed for our government to stay strong. Do we need crazy extremists in third world countries? No, they are what is creating havoc. If they don't get the vaccine when the big one hits, well you can figure it out. I just don't understand this big plot that you are getting at, other than profit motive. But flu shots are $20, not really a big money-maker there.
  7. by   coolpeach
    Went back to the Dr yesterday. My rash is better. Still light visible in some places, but going away. The nerve pain is still there (similar to singles pain), but all over back, thighs, neck, scalp, and from chest up.

    Doctor says that while this reaction is rare he has heard of it happening. He expect the rash to continue to get better, and completely go away. As far as the nerve pain he cannot be sure how long it will last. I am on Lyrica, and will continue to take it for a while. If the nerve pain persists much longer I will be referred to a neurologist.

    A poster above stated that maybe it was an illness that I was coming down with prior to the shot. According to the Dr. what I had did not resemble an illness. The closest thing to what I had was shingles, but the rash was an allergic reaction rash, and not a shingles rash according to the Dr. Apparently, the vaccine or some component of it affected my nerves. It came out as a allergic reaction type rash through the nerves in dermatones similar to shingles, but affected the whole body instead of just never crossing mid-line like shingles. does.

    I am concerned at this point that it has taken up residence in my nerve roots similar to the chicken pox virus. The Dr hasn't said this, but it would make sense since the nerve pain is lingering, and he doesn't know if or when it will ever go away. If this is true even if it does it does the whole scenario can repeat every time my immune system gets worn down or something reactivates it. The problem is not enough is known so we just have to wait and see.

    Just a note my company workers comp picked this up, but then denied me because I didn't report it as a work injury with 24 hours of getting the injection. I tried to explain that I only had a swollen arm the first 24 hours (which is a common reaction) and I had no need to report. Still I was denied for late reporting.
  8. by   Laidback Al
    Quote from coolpeach
    . . .

    Just a note my company workers comp picked this up, but then denied me because I didn't report it as a work injury with 24 hours of getting the injection. I tried to explain that I only had a swollen arm the first 24 hours (which is a common reaction) and I had no need to report. Still I was denied for late reporting.
    Sorry to hear that that this has not cleared up and that there may be some longer term effects. Your comments about worker's comp denying your claim are concerning. You should have been given the benefit of the doubt and been covered. It is this kind of self-preserving behavior by insurance companies and other organizations that feeds the conspiracy theorists here. You should continue to press your claim.

    And everyone else should consider coolpeach's situation when getting a flu shot.

    While reactions are are rare, if you seem to have some kind of response, report it immediately. It may turn out to be be just a sore arm. But if it is something worse, you won't end up like coolpeach and be denied a claim for some kind of procedural issue.
  9. by   nursemarion
    Coolpeach remember that if your nerves are injured they take months to heal. Don't assume that this will take up residence and continue to be a problem for you, keep the faith that this was a response to something, a one-time event. Your immune system apparently does not tolerate something in the vaccine.

    As for workers comp, if you are ineligible for workers comp you are now eligible to sue. Workers comp is partly to protect employees and partly to protect employers. If it picks up your bills you are pretty much accepting that as compensation. I don't know how far you could get with it since their are protections from lawsuits related to vaccines at least in my state. Many lawyers won't charge you to consult them about these type of lawsuits, you could call and ask. It might create animosity with your employer though. A lot to consider. I would at least find out the statute of limitations in case you continue to have problems. Did you report this in the VAERS system?
  10. by   2ndyearstudent
    Quote from holisticallyminded
    "The last time I checked tin-foil hats don't protect against pandemic viruses - but a vaccination might. "

    Cute. I'm sorry but the pro-vaccintion folks haven't done their research. If more people actually paid attention to anything more than the party line, this country wouldn't be in half the mess it's in.
    Yeah. There is no evidence behind the efficacy of vaccines at all. Measles, smallpox, hepatitis, polio...all just government conspiracies.

    It's all fun to throw bombs on a message board, but if you want to work with patients in a facility, get your shots. You want to work out of your kitchen selling conspiracy theories and folk remedies, go ahead and do that.
  11. by   Laidback Al
    Quote from holisticallyminded
    "The last time I checked tin-foil hats don't protect against pandemic viruses - but a vaccination might. "

    Cute. I'm sorry but the pro-vaccination folks haven't done their research. If more people actually paid attention to anything more than the party line, this country wouldn't be in half the mess it's in.
    I guess I didn't understand. Thanks for enlightening me. So the mess that this country is in today - the oppressive national debt, threats of terrorism, high unemployment, housing foreclosures, bank defaults, massive oil spills, climate change and global warming, and teenagers who talk back - can all be traced back to the commies in the 1950s who helped Jonas Salk develop and deliver the polio vaccine to unsuspecting youths.

    So if we just stopped vaccinations all of our problems would be solved; harmony and peace would again settle over the land of the free and home of the brave.
  12. by   CrunchRN

    There is I recall a fund for people injured by vaccines. Perhaps you could appeal to that to cover your time off and medical care? I seem to remember someone posted a link to it earlier in this thread.

    This whole thing makes me think of that syndrome, ?Stevens/Johnsons? Any substance/medication can cause any kind of crazy reaction, viruses too. OTC meds also.

    I always take the flu shot, and I lean towards all caregivers doing so to protect those we care for, but it is certainly not risk free and we need to have systems in place to deal with these issues if we are to "force" people to take the vaccine.

    Also, it is silly to just target nurses. If we are to force nurses then all who have contact with patients, including visitors, should also comply.
  13. by   Myarmhurtstoo
    i found this site while researching my problem...which is the same as posted here. just thought i'd add my experience with the issue...over three months now and arm still hurts although it seems to be getting a little bit better finally. from a 9 to maybe a 6 or 7 on the pain scale.

    wow most of these comments are very familiar to me. my detailed experience is chronicle on the following thread:


    my symptoms mirror most everyone else’s…1) shot high up so much so that we talked about it for days after the shot 2) mine started hurting that evening, shot given around 3:30 pm 3) pharmacy came to our workplace and administered shot 4) pain doing all the things everyone mentioned with the most painful when trying to pull off a tight fitting garment over my head…just can’t do it even now (shot given nine weeks ago) 5) cannot sleep on left side (except when i took the steroids, have taken two medrol paks and one 10 day course…doc said i can’t have any more) 6) had initial numbness in my index & middle finger and some in my thumb, now just sorta comes and goes but not so much and 7) my doc was not aware of this being a problem and initially attributed it to other things, however, after hearing my explanations, what i found in my research, and the fact that he’s known me for many years and believes i’m not crazy has asked me to gather the info i have found for him…much to my relief and amazement.

    in my hours of research i have found some information that was helpful. for one the vaers site to report adverse events listed earlier in this post. i also was able to download adverse event data for the last two years…a ton of info applying some filters found tons of reports of this type of reaction. so it is not new.

    also found this thread on another site with info that was reported in 2007 and even gave the condition a name: shoulder injury related to vaccine administration, or sirva. yes there is even an acronym for this condition:



    as well as this hhs power point presentation from last summer where the last two pages discuss the above published info as well as thoughts on cause, treatment, etc.:


    and last this article that discusses the findings and recommendations in detail. not from any gov’t related side but after finding all the other info, i thought the article appeared credible:


    hope some of this helps. based on what i’ve gone through i truly believe it is important for everyone to file a vaers report of adverse event and talk about this so that more is done in evaluating the cause(s) and prevention of this issue. i look forward to reading your updates. and please update even if the pain goes away…it is helpful to us still hurting to read about those that have recovered…gives us hope! :-d