Difficult patients?

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I've come to the conclusion that I may not know how to adequately deal with what I call difficult patients. Setting: ICU with 2 patient load.

I had a 71 y/o woman who was A+Ox3 that complained she could not lie on her back due to arthritis. So the plan was to have rotate side to side. She had a PCA and was encouraged to use it. It seems as this was working in the beginning. The first complaint was that the lift team was taking too long to get her out of bed. Then the lift team was taking too long to get her back into bed. She was still NPO (post op). She insisted on prune juice. Got the doc to change her diet and got prune juice. Then she calls me back and insists on an enema. I tried to tell her she hasn't eaten since surgery, sometimes it take a while for the stomach to wake up (postanesthesia). In the meanwhile she gets nauseous and I hate to run to treat her for that.

Once back in bed, she wanted the bed flat. Even with the bed flat at 0 degrees she kept calling me to come back to lower the bed more. I told her the bed is flat. I can't lower it anymore. She kept saying, "I want my head down more" or "I want my feet down more". I did dismiss this because I thought it was nonsense. The bed is flat,what more do you want me to do??? I need to tend to my other patient. If you are having pain use your PCA and it may make you more comfortable. It wasn't long before she called me back. Forget that I have anything else to do but tend to her. I spend literally 5-10 minutes raising the bed, lowing the bed, putting a pillow behind her, removing the pillow, raising the feet, lowing the feet. I felt I tried everything I could to help her.

Per management/protocols the HOB should be >30 degrees and for a while I allowed the patient to lie flat. For the second time the patient desaturated. Respiratory came to the bedside and sat the patient up to 30 degrees and explained to her she needs to sit up for a while, told her about pneumonia prevention, lung expansion, etc. The patient begin complaining she wasn't comfortable. Her daughter tried to comfort her and get her to tolerate being up. She still insists on getting an enema. I speak to the doctor who told me he wasn't going to order that. I go back and tell her that the doctor feels she doesn't need one at this time.

I felt this was the most demanding patient, I've had. :uhoh3: Every time I leave her bedspace after each episode, I ask her if there is anything else I can do for her. When she said yes, she tells me the same thing: enema, lie flat. Whenever she did say no she would call me back within minutes to adjust the bed. Two times she called me back to say she had gas. The firs time, I asked was she having belly pain, she said no. Told her I needed to tend to my other pt who was in a-fib (I need to call the doc, mix meds etc). She continued to ask for an enema. I begged the doctor to please see the patients about her bowel concerns and he agrees to see the patients. I return to the bedside and she continues to complain. I say nothing else because all the time I spent explaining everything, she wasn't hearing me. The doc finally came, said that Milk of Mag and PRN enema won't hurt her. Told the patient he was ordering these things. She seemed to more satisfied. I did keep the HOB at 30 degrees as respiratory left it and the patient did not voice anymore complaints. Again I asked if there was anything else I could do for her and she stated no for the remainder of my shift.

It was so bad that my other patient told me, "I hate to bother you because she seems like a handful over there".

The next day, my managers call me in to tell me that this patient requested that I not be her nurse. Reason: that nurse doesn't care about my comfort at all. I feel that all of the things I did didn't matter. I might as well just left her lying in bed for 12 hours and this complaint I feel would have been justified.

My managers want to send me to classes, feel that I need counseling etc. I feel that this isn't fair. I'm left to wonder if this patient just didn't like me. Was she messing with me (head up, head down, wanting the bed lower even though it was flat)??

Only thing I could think of in retrospect was to have called management in to deal with her in the beginning when she was making all of these demands. I was getting overwhelmed, felt I was neglecting my other patient and fell behind in other tasks (giving meds, charting etc). I have no idea of what else I could have done. Management is concerned because this is the 2nd time in one month I was requested to not be the nurse. 4 times in 2.5 years that a patient has complained not being rude, disrespectful, unsafe, dirty etc but of me being "non caring" or "cold". I feel that it does come to a certain point that I feel a patient is being unreasonable and I stop responding to him/her WHILE I WORK ON THE ISSUE WITH ANOTHER TEAM MEMBER (respiratory, physicians, anethesia etc). I have called everyone but management because i feel don't want to bother them.

Your thoughts?? I'm open to any advice at this point to take into consideration. Sorry so long but I tried to sum it all up. Thanks for reading.

Specializes in Cardiac, PCU, Surg/Onc, LTC, Peds.
when these types of patients "fire" nurses i usually laugh since most of the nurses COMPLAIN A LOT when they are assigned these patients and they have to be rotated throughout the whole staff, where for the most part charge will try to assign the same pts to same nurse.

But if the wonky pt knew that no one wanted to take care of them they still would think it's the nurse with the issue not them .

I re-read the OP a little more thoroughly and my solution would be 'a nice and effective muscle relaxant' =ativan.

I can't believe the NM actually believes this batty pt.

right ativan! as for patients, chit chat and multiple demands--i too dont like to 'get personal' and some nurses amaze me about howmuch they know about the patient and the patients extended family from talking but i see chit chat as a way to normalize a situation that is scary or abnormal. look at how intimately we know about the patient from where they live who they trust to know theri medical informatoin heck we know more about their health than they do. is it any coincidence the more a patient is focused on a bowel regimen the more of a literal PITA they will be?

and as someone said then there are the patients who are just plain nuts and/or borderlilne personality which i feel are really difficult to deal with and very manipulative. i take anxious senior citizen over young BPD any day:down:

Specializes in pcu/stepdown/telemetry.

some pt's think the hospital is the place where all of a sudden being crazy and demanding is accepted because all nurses do is bring drinks and fluff pillows according to them. Well you can't please a nutty person no matter what you do for them. so when someone is very demanding and you sense a problem let the charge nurse come in and handle it. but remember always be nice and polite no matter how annoyed you are getting. When pt come to me they comment on the previous nurses personality/attitude such as she looked miserable. They shouldn't see that, it's bad enough being in the hospital. Now that nursing is customer service, yuk, you don't want management to think you were rude.

Specializes in Infectious Disease, Neuro, Research.

Actually I feel like maybe she felt I wasn't satisfying her emotional needs. Now I do feel like part of my job is to do that so I am trying to get better at that. I have patients that think I'm cold or uncaring because I don't want to tell them if I'm single or married, kids or no kids or what I do when I'm not at work. To me, I don't want to talk about those things because it's not work related...Does that make me an awful nurse?

"If you want your emotional needs fulfilled, call your kids or hire a hooker...":D

That's a very blunt way of saying exactly what I've said to a few patients, with somewhat more floral prose. Couple of thoughts. 1) You were being manipulated. 2) You weren't sure how to deal with that.

There are lots of these types of books out, but I've found this to be a best-of:

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Profiling-Reading-People-Right/dp/0963910337/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1316786571&sr=8-1

If you know how someone is choosing/has learned to communicate, it tells you something about their personality and perceived needs.

Along with this:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_6?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=ariely+predictably+irrational&sprefix=ariely

Economics isn't just about money, its about an interaction for something of perceived value. If you understand their motivational drive, it is easier to meet the motivation, even if you can't give them what they want.

Some of what you said indicates a level of co-dependency. Your expanded explanation helps clarify- to a large degree, you use your professionalism as the mechanism by which you relate to your patients, keeping it comfortably impersonal. When that professional relationship is inadequate (because the patient is seeking a daughter/grand-daughter/mother figure) it is very frustrating. The patient wants a level of intimacy; you do not.

Not a problem, I do it too. You just have to find a way of establishing interpersonal limits without alienating the other person (although some people are so mal-adapted, it is an utterly futile effort; i.e., those who "fire" every nurse on the floor.)

Part of how I have been more positive with a patient who is getting to me is to get them to help me so we feel like a team. I can get them into my nurses' brain. "How will I do this for you while I have to be in another room? I'm going to have to depend on you help me by trying this position for 15 minutes and tell me how it went. It might feel better after a few minutes if you stick with it. If we can't find a position in 3 tries I'll ask another nurse be assigned to you. I'm willing to give you to another nurse if that's what it takes for you to be comfortable." I've used my nurse buddy as a "straw man" by telling her that the pt is a PITA and I need her to come in the room, scratch her head & try something with me and say in a completely puzzled tone,"Jeanne I think you've tried everything here. Maybe Mrs. Payne needs management to get involved" and had her tell the nurse manager how she observed what a PITA she is. Best defense is offense.

Interesting that this patient can bang on the call bell, but is unable or unwilling to adjust her own bed?!?!?!?!

You can only do what the orders say you can. The other disciplines involved also were clear on their thought processes for the plan of care.

The moment that it starts with a patient demanding what the MD is unwilling to order, that is where the charge nurse needs to come into the picture. And your patient relations or case managment people.

I would be the first to ask your manager "You noted that I documented this interaction accordingly. The bed needed to stay at >30 degrees post op, due to oxygen desaturation. I was under the impression that hospital acquired infections such as pneumonia are not reimbursable. I attempted to make the patient comfortable using the guidelines of the MD orders. The MD made what changes he could when seeing this patient. (and here's the most important part) What is it that you suggest I do going forward when I encounter a hard to please patient that I did not do in this case?"

Classes are a good thing, and may help you going forward. Negotiating is the best tool that you have. Make sure that you repeat whatever it is that a discipline may tell you "ie: Mrs. Helpme, I spoke with the resp therapist, xyz. She stated that she had conversation with you regarding the need for the head of your bed to be raised to this level. I understand that it is difficult for you. We will lower the bed as soon as it is feasible. In the meantime, please push your pain medication button for your comfort. And I think that I will get an order to have a laxative added to you nightly medications. That way, you won't have to worry about your bowels."

There are some patients who are bowel obsessed. There are even more patients who are less than cognitvely intact after anethesia. I am not sure if this is some round-about way to get you involved in some classes or not. Which may be the case. In any event, it will be interesting to see how many other nurses are asked to not care for this patient anymore in the course of her stay...

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