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Hey guys, new to the forum so I'll drop an introduction in that part of the forum when I get home from work since I'm half an hour away from that.

Basically, my situation is probably about the same as 95% of every other pre-medical student out there. Right now I'm just taking general ed courses before I transfer to a university, so obviously this is the perfect time to consider this. Anyways, I wasn't born rich and in fact I'm lucky to have a nice cushy job at Blue Shield of California, because if it wasn't for this I'd be totally screwed. Regardless though, I'm going to have to use financial aid to pay for school though when I start going to school full time, I want to take a full school load instead of just take 6 units and work a job because I don't feel like taking five million years to get through college.

I've heard a lot of the horror stories about people getting great grades in college, getting a bachelor degree in biology, letters of recommendations from doctors, good MCAT scores and all that and they still get rejected year after year for med school. You can't do that much with a bachelor in biology from what I see, and even if you can, I'm very aware that you can do nothing with it in health care which is where I want to be.

My question is, especially since most of the pre-reqs for an associate degree in nursing also are lower division courses for biology and/or are extremely relevant to pre-med anyways since nursing is also medicine, should I get an associate degree in nursing so I atleast have some way of surviving should I get a bachelor in biology and then the med schools say no?

Looking at the options, it seems to be an extremely wise way to do it in my opinion, because it looks like most RNs (especially entry level ones) work at night and since most college courses at the university level are offered during the day, that would allow me to work as a RN while going to school so I wouldn't even need financial aid. I also looked at it, and since you just need to meet certain science requirements to get into med school and have a bachelor degree in something, I also pondered getting a bachelor in nursing and then just doing the extra courses to meet the med school admissions requirements. I would assume that would look better to a med school anyways since someone who has a nursing degree knows a whole lot more about medicine and patient care then someone with a biology degree.

I'd like to get everyone's opinion on what they think of this, and since I'm sure it would be asked if I didn't say it, here's the relevant info about myself.

I'm 21, male (obviously, considering the thread it's in, lol), as far as study habits go I'd say I'm alright at studying but that's because I've never had to study. I just got done doing 13 units while working a full time job as a claims processor with a 4.0 GPA and I didn't study that much to get the 4.0 GPA, but that's only because it wasn't necessary, obviously since pre-med is what I'm looking at there's no lack of motivation here. Academics seems to come quite easy to me and while other people struggle and study long hours to get an A on the test I just spend an hour or two of light studying to get the A, so I'm not scholastically impaired. I write papers extremely easy, very attentive, I learn extremely fast and if the subject interests me (health care is one of the ones that does interest me) I have a good memory.

After taking general biology since I need it for general ed, I've developed a liking for biology, but I wouldn't want to do it as a career; it's just an interesting subject to me. My main reason for wanting to be a doctor is not so much the pay as the desire to be a professional, to save lives (or help do that), and to help people heal. From what I've read so far (plus what I already knew anyways from the general idea), nursing would offer all of that anyways, so maybe even after just getting an associate degree I may decide I like this better anyways, I dunno.

Sorry for the long essay but I figured questions would be asked about everything like motive, study habit, etc. anyways so I don't want to waste everyone's time! My main questions are in your opinion do you think it'd be wise for me to get an associate degree in nursing first so I'm not financially SOL if the med schools says no (if I just got a biology degree with no nursing, I'd have to use the full amount of loans probably so I'd be $30,000+ in debt), would it be wise to get a bachelor in nursing instead of biology if I do still want to be a doctor and just get the extra courses done, and finally, how much stereotyping and discrimination will I have to deal with in the classroom if I do enter the nursing program? I don't mind working with gay people (I'm straight myself) because generally, their more accepting and open minded anyways so I actually would probably like working with them, I'm very open minded myself, very respectful and integrity is a big thing to me...but I absolutely /hate/ being discriminated against or stereotyped, and I'm not very tolerant of that sort of thing, If I'm challenged I'd rather confront the issue or person then just idly take it or let the insult go unanswered.

Well, I can't speak from personal experience about every community college being easier then the universities but honestly, I don't think it matters where it is, it's entirely up to the teacher. If the teacher sucks, the class is going to suck. If the teacher's great, the class is a breeze. It's all relative anyways, everyone in my biology class thought it was really hard (only about four, me being one of them, got an A out of fifty students) but I thought it was pretty easy. One person may think something's hard that another thinks is easy and vise versa...I'd much rather take a science class any day of the week instead of say a history class.

I did look up health information management and the closest my college offers is medical office specialist, so I guess that's out since that degree is just a combination of medical billing and transcription, one of which I already know more of then alot of medical billers out there, seeing as the geniuses send me claims constantly with such stuff as the diagnosis and date of injury missing so they can't be processed. If this insults anyone, it's not my intention (not sure if anyone here is a medical biller), but you learn a lot about where the people who got terminated from fast food end up if you do medical claims processing. :)

I guess I'm just going to go with focusing solely on pre-med, I would prefer to get a degree in something else as well just as a cushion but after looking at how the government distributes financial aid (basically, if you're already working full time, you get nothing), I don't really see it as an option anyhow. What's the main difference between an associate degree and bachelor degree in nursing though? Are the first two years of a bachelor degree in nursing basically the same as an associate degree? I plan to go to CSU Chico, and the CSU system is very interchangeable with classes. If I get a degree in biology and I didn't get into med school right away, then I might as well start working towards a bachelor in nursing if the first two years are the same as the coursework in an associate because all the stuff like general ed, american institutions, all the extra course junk is out of the way. :)

Go for the BSN! The first two years of BSN are 62 credit hrs which are called Phase 1 here which can be completed at any college here in our region. As far as I know it is an Associates in Applied Science that you carry over to the 4 year program. All 62 credit hours have to be completed before one can start the nursing courses (if you get into the program) at the University I plan to attend. The ADN program at our CC requires less classes to graduate and it will limit you as to what areas of nursing you can work in. I had an AD and majored in English when I decided to go for nursing last year. I might have taken more English courses than I need, and some more Phys Ed but it definitely didn't hurt any since English is not my first language and I got something out of those aerobic classes and learned bowling?!?! :) It would be foolish for me not to try to get into the BSN program since I only have to make a few adjustments and take the extra science courses required. I have 5 classes left to take. Luckily I always made sure that I have good grades and the classes I took years ago, when I didn't even like the idea of nursing, aren't coming back to bite me now.

You are young and have enough time and it sounds like you don't struggle in school and can maintain a high GPA. To get into Med school and nursing school it is recommended to have at least a 3.5. that shouldn't be a problem for you. Going the BSN route might take a little longer but I think it is worth in the long run. (If we get excepted into the programs of course)

All I can do is try my best and if for whatever reason my GPA won't be high enough to become a nurse the courses I am taking will still benefit me somehow. I believe that nothing is for nothing and if one door closes another opens. (Keeps me from going crazy) BTW no financial aid here for me either.....husband is too rich and I didn't have enough kids!?!?!?:chuckle

Believe me it's crazy in my school. Of the 3 courses that I have taken at this particular college 2 teachers were totally crazy and the classes were very hard. I must do something right because I ended up with the highest grade in both crazy teacher's classes. If it's the same next semester I might have to go to a different school, but I heard that my microbiology teacher is good. I hope so , I need a break.

Good luck

Go for the BSN! The first two years of BSN are 62 credit hrs which are called Phase 1 here which can be completed at any college here in our region. As far as I know it is an Associates in Applied Science that you carry over to the 4 year program. All 62 credit hours have to be completed before one can start the nursing courses (if you get into the program) at the University I plan to attend. The ADN program at our CC requires less classes to graduate and it will limit you as to what areas of nursing you can work in. I had an AD and majored in English when I decided to go for nursing last year. I might have taken more English courses than I need, and some more Phys Ed but it definitely didn't hurt any since English is not my first language and I got something out of those aerobic classes and learned bowling?!?! :) It would be foolish for me not to try to get into the BSN program since I only have to make a few adjustments and take the extra science courses required. I have 5 classes left to take. Luckily I always made sure that I have good grades and the classes I took years ago, when I didn't even like the idea of nursing, aren't coming back to bite me now.

You are young and have enough time and it sounds like you don't struggle in school and can maintain a high GPA. To get into Med school and nursing school it is recommended to have at least a 3.5. that shouldn't be a problem for you. Going the BSN route might take a little longer but I think it is worth in the long run. (If we get excepted into the programs of course)

All I can do is try my best and if for whatever reason my GPA won't be high enough to become a nurse the courses I am taking will still benefit me somehow. I believe that nothing is for nothing and if one door closes another opens. (Keeps me from going crazy) BTW no financial aid here for me either.....husband is too rich and I didn't have enough kids!?!?!?:chuckle

Believe me it's crazy in my school. Of the 3 courses that I have taken at this particular college 2 teachers were totally crazy and the classes were very hard. I must do something right because I ended up with the highest grade in both crazy teacher's classes. If it's the same next semester I might have to go to a different school, but I heard that my microbiology teacher is good. I hope so , I need a break.

Good luck

Works for me, yeah I mean I plan to take anatomy and physiology as electives for my biology degree anyways once I'm at CSU Chico so I'll have all the nursing prereqs done anyways so if it takes some time to get into med school, why not. :) I don't to sound arrogant anyways and say they'll accept me since ya never know! Like you said, if one door closes another opens up. Ending up as a nurse instead of a doctor isn't really a loss to me since I still get to provide health care, so in the end I'll get what I want. :D I hear you on hoping to get accepted to what you want and crazy teachers though, I can see where the stress in school comes from. It's not from the teachers and the courses themselves, it's from trying to get accepted into the program that you want. If you have to go to another college to get a course out of the way, I'd say go for it, it's better to have a little more hassle and get an extra transcript and get a good grade then take it through a bad teacher and not learn as much and get a lesser grade. Apparently the anatomy class at the community college im going to is really bad, people go to the community college in the next city over to do anatomy from what I hear.

I think I'm going to definitely take that phrase to heart though, when one door closes another opens are some good words to live by. I'll put those right next to what my friend told me, it's always darkest before dawn. Good stuff. Yeah I've read about some of the more negative aspects about nursing and medicine, about stuff that's disgusting but eh, there's going to be negatives to every job so can't really let that get in the way. If the ADN program would limit me to what I could do then ya I'll just try for the BSN if that becomes an issue, I'll atleast be able to take out the loans I need if I have to do that cause graduates are allowed to borrow a lot more to finish their education and I'd only need two years or three at the most since the extra stuff would already be done. Good luck in getting the rest of your classes done though and getting accepted, if you have a high GPA and you're motivated I'm sure they'll say yes. :)

Works for me, yeah I mean I plan to take anatomy and physiology as electives for my biology degree anyways once I'm at CSU Chico so I'll have all the nursing prereqs done anyways so if it takes some time to get into med school, why not. :) I don't to sound arrogant anyways and say they'll accept me since ya never know! Like you said, if one door closes another opens up. Ending up as a nurse instead of a doctor isn't really a loss to me since I still get to provide health care, so in the end I'll get what I want. :D I hear you on hoping to get accepted to what you want and crazy teachers though, I can see where the stress in school comes from. It's not from the teachers and the courses themselves, it's from trying to get accepted into the program that you want. If you have to go to another college to get a course out of the way, I'd say go for it, it's better to have a little more hassle and get an extra transcript and get a good grade then take it through a bad teacher and not learn as much and get a lesser grade. Apparently the anatomy class at the community college im going to is really bad, people go to the community college in the next city over to do anatomy from what I hear.

I think I'm going to definitely take that phrase to heart though, when one door closes another opens are some good words to live by. I'll put those right next to what my friend told me, it's always darkest before dawn. Good stuff. Yeah I've read about some of the more negative aspects about nursing and medicine, about stuff that's disgusting but eh, there's going to be negatives to every job so can't really let that get in the way. If the ADN program would limit me to what I could do then ya I'll just try for the BSN if that becomes an issue, I'll atleast be able to take out the loans I need if I have to do that cause graduates are allowed to borrow a lot more to finish their education and I'd only need two years or three at the most since the extra stuff would already be done. Good luck in getting the rest of your classes done though and getting accepted, if you have a high GPA and you're motivated I'm sure they'll say yes. :)

Aside from the courses that you have to take towards a BSN in nursing, wouldn't you just have to take a few extra Chem courses to get into med school? Just go ahead, start your classes and let time do the rest. Good luck with that A&P.....I will forever have a bad taste in my mouth from that class. Like they say, time heals all wounds....I am still a little traumatized from the experience :rotfl:

Aside from the courses that you have to take towards a BSN in nursing, wouldn't you just have to take a few extra Chem courses to get into med school? Just go ahead, start your classes and let time do the rest. Good luck with that A&P.....I will forever have a bad taste in my mouth from that class. Like they say, time heals all wounds....I am still a little traumatized from the experience :rotfl:

Naw, I'd have far less classes to do for nursing if I got a biology degree then I would for pre-med if I got a nursing degree. If I did the biology degree, all pre-med requirements would be fulfilled and I'd only need three or four classes (just one semester) to finish pre nursing. If I got a nursing degree, then I'd have...well, a lot to do for pre-med, lol. About two semesters worth.

Well, I'm going to get that bad taste too probably because I'm taking A&P for electives for my biology degree. Their directly related to both medicine and nursing so it just makes sense for me to take those. I've heard all about them though...blood doesn't scare me so I'm not too worried. I just won't eat until /after/ class each day. :rotfl:

Naw, I'd have far less classes to do for nursing if I got a biology degree then I would for pre-med if I got a nursing degree. If I did the biology degree, all pre-med requirements would be fulfilled and I'd only need three or four classes (just one semester) to finish pre nursing. If I got a nursing degree, then I'd have...well, a lot to do for pre-med, lol. About two semesters worth.

Well, I'm going to get that bad taste too probably because I'm taking A&P for electives for my biology degree. Their directly related to both medicine and nursing so it just makes sense for me to take those. I've heard all about them though...blood doesn't scare me so I'm not too worried. I just won't eat until /after/ class each day. :rotfl:

There wasn't anything yucky in the A&P1 class, just a huge workload, and we saw a video of a cadaver for the muscle lab portion. To my surprise the lab portion was out of this world with our wonderful :uhoh21: professor. No other class with lab ever required that much studying outside the lab time. It was like taking 2 classes. A&P 2 will get a little yucky with the fetal pig and I don't know exactly what else. But I won't take that course until next fall.

I have always been a needle/blood phobic and even collapsed at one time while blood was drawn from me. All that changed however after a surprise encounter in a store parking lot when a total stranger, an elderly lady, approached me heavily bleeding in need of help. I did the right things right from the get go until the ambulance and her family arrived. It's amazing what we can do when we have to. I had a few operations myself in the recent past which really hardened me to alot of stuff.....I needed to have my thyroid gland removed and when I saw myself in the mirror post- op I looked like a murder victime, like someone tried to cut my head off.....a terrible scar all across the front of my neck :) ....it scared my poor little son, too.

Just study hard in that A&P class and i hope you get a more reasonable teacher than I had.

There wasn't anything yucky in the A&P1 class, just a huge workload, and we saw a video of a cadaver for the muscle lab portion. To my surprise the lab portion was out of this world with our wonderful :uhoh21: professor. No other class with lab ever required that much studying outside the lab time. It was like taking 2 classes. A&P 2 will get a little yucky with the fetal pig and I don't know exactly what else. But I won't take that course until next fall.

I have always been a needle/blood phobic and even collapsed at one time while blood was drawn from me. All that changed however after a surprise encounter in a store parking lot when a total stranger, an elderly lady, approached me heavily bleeding in need of help. I did the right things right from the get go until the ambulance and her family arrived. It's amazing what we can do when we have to. I had a few operations myself in the recent past which really hardened me to alot of stuff.....I needed to have my thyroid gland removed and when I saw myself in the mirror post- op I looked like a murder victime, like someone tried to cut my head off.....a terrible scar all across the front of my neck :) ....it scared my poor little son, too.

Just study hard in that A&P class and i hope you get a more reasonable teacher than I had.

Yeah I think we all used to be squeamish about blood and guts at one point in our lives, I'm sure most people who want to pursue a career in medicine or nursing are already hardened atleast a little. I'm not too worried about having bad professors, CSU Chico is rated as one of the best non private universities in the country and their professors have very high marks on every college feedback web site I've been to like campusdirt.com. The cirriculum was rated as lacking though so we'll see, I'm not taking my electives (anatomy, physiology & microbiology since I don't /need/ them for my biology degree) until I already have my degree, so it'll be alot more understandable since I'll be used to upper division biology classes. :) Definitely not worried about blood, I can watch them stick the needle in me to take blood and not even care the slightest. :p Hell I've shot myself in the hand with a BB gun at point blank range (unintentional mind you) and my hand was covered in blood and I didn't care, so ya definitely not worried about getting queasy!

Yeah I think we all used to be squeamish about blood and guts at one point in our lives, I'm sure most people who want to pursue a career in medicine or nursing are already hardened atleast a little. I'm not too worried about having bad professors, CSU Chico is rated as one of the best non private universities in the country and their professors have very high marks on every college feedback web site I've been to like campusdirt.com. The cirriculum was rated as lacking though so we'll see, I'm not taking my electives (anatomy, physiology & microbiology since I don't /need/ them for my biology degree) until I already have my degree, so it'll be alot more understandable since I'll be used to upper division biology classes. :) Definitely not worried about blood, I can watch them stick the needle in me to take blood and not even care the slightest. :p Hell I've shot myself in the hand with a BB gun at point blank range (unintentional mind you) and my hand was covered in blood and I didn't care, so ya definitely not worried about getting queasy!

LOL about the BB gun, reminds me of the movie the "Christmas Story" which we watch every X-mas Eve....Ralphie you'll shoot your eye out!!!!!!

Sounds like you wil do great at your school.

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There's a thread on OPM (Old Pre-Meds) that I thought of while reading your post. Here it is, might have some good info for you.

http://www.oldpremeds.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/35811/page/1/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1

Thanks Arcie, I'll check it out since I'm on break right now anyways. :) yeah the BB gun thing did prove that I could easily handle blood, but man, lol....oh well, I have to laugh at myself for that cause that was just really retarded. To check the CO2 pressure in a BB gun one way of doing it is just shooting some air into your hand, and my genius self forgot to remove the clip first. :p

It's made for a great story though, sometimes I won't tell the person it was a BB gun so they freak out. The reactions are priceless.

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Wow, after checking out that link, definitely have to thank you for sending me that Arcie. Looks like I'll just stick to pre-med only. Ironically a friend of mine I work with here at BC of CA said he'll do the EMT basic program here with me next fall so looks like I'll have a backup plan that doesn't hurt me anyways. And that's going to be one fun course, always wanted to try EMT. :)

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Thanks Arcie, I'll check it out since I'm on break right now anyways. :) yeah the BB gun thing did prove that I could easily handle blood, but man, lol....oh well, I have to laugh at myself for that cause that was just really retarded. To check the CO2 pressure in a BB gun one way of doing it is just shooting some air into your hand, and my genius self forgot to remove the clip first. :p

It's made for a great story though, sometimes I won't tell the person it was a BB gun so they freak out. The reactions are priceless.

Edited to add:

Wow, after checking out that link, definitely have to thank you for sending me that Arcie. Looks like I'll just stick to pre-med only. Ironically a friend of mine I work with here at BC of CA said he'll do the EMT basic program here with me next fall so looks like I'll have a backup plan that doesn't hurt me anyways. And that's going to be one fun course, always wanted to try EMT. :)

You're very welcome, I'm glad it was helpful... That's a great website for non-trad pre-med students, so I hope you poke around there. I was originally planning to go to medical school and even after I decided nursing was the path for me I still check that site out every once in a while. :)

Best of luck to you!

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