Completed California intervention program

NurseGray · Jun 4

JKL65423 said:

Congratulations! I finished about 2 weeks ago so I know the feeling, mine was 4 long years. We did it!

Can I ask if employers will still know you were in the program even after you finish your monitoring agreement? I am worried because I was reported to the NPDB. I'm worried this will hurt my nursing job prospects for the rest of my life.

SheelaDavis · Jun 4

NurseGray said:

Can I ask if employers will still know you were in the program even after you finish your monitoring agreement? I am worried because I was reported to the NPDB. I'm worried this will hurt my nursing job prospects for the rest of my life.

Yes, they will. If you are in the NPDB, future employers will see it and the NPDB entries can never be removed. They are there for life. The fact that you actually WENT through and Completed the monitoring program is to your Benefit. It's actually a good thing because future employers who see that you are in the NPDB immediately see one thing. RISK. So, what does any reasonable-common sense employer want to see? They want to see how the risk is reduced. What does that? Your monitoring program Lowers that risk.

Since you are in the NPDB and there is no getting out of it, even with a lawyer, there is no removing entries from the NPDB. Simply be open with employers and be very aggressive in actually being quickly yp share that you completed the monitoring program. That will benefit you and the futher out you are from completion, the overwhelmingly leas likely employers are to turn you down. As of now, just a guess, since you have completed monitoring and are in the NPDB, roughly 50 percent of employers would say No Thanks and that's a high estimate, it's probably less. For example 3 years after completion of monitoring, the amount of "No's" drops to 25 percent, then at 10 years, drops to roughly 10 percent. The above numbers are sure guestiments, but you get the picture.

Even right now, if 50 percent of employers turn you down in the USA, you are in pretty dang good shape because we know how many nursing jobs there are. The other 50 percent that will say yes is in the hundreds to maybe thousands of positions out there.

NurseGray · Jun 9

SheelaDavis said:

Yes, they will. If you are in the NPDB, future employers will see it and the NPDB entries can never be removed. They are there for life. The fact that you actually WENT through and Completed the monitoring program is to your Benefit. It's actually a good thing because future employers who see that you are in the NPDB immediately see one thing. RISK. So, what does any reasonable-common sense employer want to see? They want to see how the risk is reduced. What does that? Your monitoring program Lowers that risk.

Since you are in the NPDB and there is no getting out of it, even with a lawyer, there is no removing entries from the NPDB. Simply be open with employers and be very aggressive in actually being quickly yp share that you completed the monitoring program. That will benefit you and the futher out you are from completion, the overwhelmingly leas likely employers are to turn you down. As of now, just a guess, since you have completed monitoring and are in the NPDB, roughly 50 percent of employers would say No Thanks and that's a high estimate, it's probably less. For example 3 years after completion of monitoring, the amount of "No's" drops to 25 percent, then at 10 years, drops to roughly 10 percent. The above numbers are sure guestiments, but you get the picture.

Even right now, if 50 percent of employers turn you down in the USA, you are in pretty dang good shape because we know how many nursing jobs there are. The other 50 percent that will say yes is in the hundreds to maybe thousands of positions out there.

Good to know, thank you. Do you know if people ever get hospital jobs after being in monitoring? Or do most people stay out of the hospital after something like this happens?

SheelaDavis · Jun 9

NurseGray said:

Good to know, thank you. Do you know if people ever get hospital jobs after being in monitoring? Or do most people stay out of the hospital after something like this happens?

Most nurses work at hospitals. When you are done with monitoring and license is restored and you are in the NPDB, of all the nursing jobs in the country, about 10 to 20 percent will say no. 80 to 90 percent will say yes. You can work anywhere and nurses who have completed monitoring work in hospitals, outpatient settings, go on for NP school or CRNA school, or PhDs, etc. You can be the Chief of your Department, you can go on to be a director if nursing, etc.

NurseGray · Jun 9

SheelaDavis said:

Most nurses work at hospitals. When you are done with monitoring and license is restored and you are in the NPDB, of all the nursing jobs in the country, about 10 to 20 percent will say no. 80 to 90 percent will say yes. You can work anywhere and nurses who have completed monitoring work in hospitals, outpatient settings, go on for NP school or CRNA school, or PhDs, etc. You can be the Chief of your Department, you can go on to be a director if nursing, etc.

That's awesome to hear, thank you!

SheelaDavis · Jun 9

Many schools of nursing and Advanced Practice schools of Nursing teach that the NPDB is the career ending Satan reincarnate. It's the wicked demonic entry that cripples your career. LOL. The truth is, it's anything but that. Does it hinder you for malpractice insurance cost if you are an advanced practice nurse and you purchase malpractice insurance on your own? Yep, for example, instead of paying 2,000 or 3000 bucks per year, you will pay 4000 bucks per year since you are in the NPDB. Woopty Doo. Not a big deal, you still get malpractice insurance. Future employers see it? Yep, they do, and they Don't Care if ..........if it's something you have rectified and corrected. For example....substance abuse. You went through a 5 year program. OR a DUI, you got treatment for alcohol misuse and went through a program. That's what they care about.

The NPDB is designed and a major concern IF......IF....you have multiple entries into the NPDB that are related to TWO or THREE or FOUR Separate Events. This is a problem for nurses. For example, nurse has substance abuse issues, get treatment, goes through a monitoring program, 7 years later, future employer sees it, and it's Not a big deal. Example B. Nurse 10 years ago in NPDB for substance abuse, goes through monitoring, gets treatment. Also, she has an entry for fraud and she has an entry for a criminal shoplifting conviction that resulted in probation, etc. See the difference here? 3 entries for the nurse in example B related to 3 different events. That's concerning and that actually IS a problem for future employment. The NPDB is designed for nurses who make serial mistakes, not one single DUI.

If you are licensed in multiple states and you go into the NPDB for a DUI or substance abuse due to license on probation or suspension, etc. You have 3 entries because you were licensed in 3 states, so all 3 states take action. Again, not a big deal because all 3 entries are still related to ONE singular event. If the nurse gets treatment, goes through monitoring, completes monitoring, it's not a big deal 5 years down the road.

The NPDB is absolutely Not a career ender by any means. Thousands of physicians, not hundreds, thousands are in the NPDB, especially surgeons who are in very high risk professions making law suits a regular thing such as with OB GYN surgeons and Anesthesiologists. The risk in these professions is so high that most of them have attorneys on retainer year around, because the incidence of law suits are so high and if you are facing a law suit 7 or 8 times in your career (not uncommon for Ob-GYN surgeons and Anesthesiologists) the odds of losing one of those 7 are reasonably high, thus many of these types end up in the NPDB and it's not a big deal. The overwhelming majority of them are actually very good providers, but the area they are in is so high risk that avoiding the NPDB is not a simple thing to do, if you look at a 30 or 40 year career.