Clarkson College EdD

lyndsay1985 · Dec 3, 2020

Hello. I am a MSN prepared Nurse Educator I graduated from Chamberlain College of Nursing. Lately, I have been researching different terminal degree options to find which doctorate I should really pursue.

I have looked at PhD programs such as Capella which has an educational track. However, upon further investigation I seen articles where just as of 2018-2019 there program was under a massive class action lawsuit pertaining to students claiming they were 5 years in with no guidance, progression, or degree. Furthermore I had read that Capella was ordered to refund these students. So here they sit with all this time gone and no degree (all I can say is Google it) It's scary for me to think about going down that route. Plus on a more personal note I don't know that I'm interested in grants/research/scientist route.

So then I looked at DNP's - these programs are not designed for education at all. I think it was an after thought to be honest once it was learned about the faculty shortage to start claiming get your DNP with a nurse educator concentration such as Regis College, or American Sentinel University. The DNP essentials that these programs are aligned with have 1000 hour practicum requirement and students who have their masters in either education or administration are not allowed to apply their 100-200 hours towards this maximum. Plus if your someone like me aka living remote without a magnet institution its hard to gain 600 hours in committee work in 2.5 years on top of the 400 hours in The DNP scholarly project work your actually doing in the program. If they are going to revamp it after the fact to include everyone then they need to make this an easier more transparent process.

So Now I am looking at ED.D. nursing concentration programs and I came across Drexel and now Clarkson in comparison to the two I am really liking Clarkson it looks to be of quality to me with the courses being offered and how simplified the process looks to be in obtaining the information needed. So I am very interested to hear what anyone has to say about this program. I am very seriously considering applying to this program for the fall 2021.

I would like to have started sooner but I didn't find this school until now and the deadline for this Spring's start was October 15th. The application deadline for Fall start is July 1st.

Any tidbits of information would be greatly helpful!!

HOPEforRNs, ADN, BSN, MSN · Dec 3, 2020

18 minutes ago, lyndsay1985 said:

Hello. I am a MSN prepared Nurse Educator I graduated from Chamberlain College of Nursing. Lately, I have been researching different terminal degree options to find which doctorate I should really pursue.

I have looked at PhD programs such as Capella which has an educational track. However, upon further investigation I seen articles where just as of 2018-2019 there program was under a massive class action lawsuit pertaining to students claiming they were 5 years in with no guidance, progression, or degree. Furthermore I had read that Capella was ordered to refund these students. So here they sit with all this time gone and no degree (all I can say is Google it) It's scary for me to think about going down that route. Plus on a more personal note I don't know that I'm interested in grants/research/scientist route.

So then I looked at DNP's - these programs are not designed for education at all. I think it was an after thought to be honest once it was learned about the faculty shortage to start claiming get your DNP with a nurse educator concentration such as Regis College, or American Sentinel University. The DNP essentials that these programs are aligned with have 1000 hour practicum requirement and students who have their masters in either education or administration are not allowed to apply their 100-200 hours towards this maximum. Plus if your someone like me aka living remote without a magnet institution its hard to gain 600 hours in committee work in 2.5 years on top of the 400 hours in The DNP scholarly project work your actually doing in the program. If they are going to revamp it after the fact to include everyone then they need to make this an easier more transparent process.

So Now I am looking at ED.D. nursing concentration programs and I came across Drexel and now Clarkson in comparison to the two I am really liking Clarkson it looks to be of quality to me with the courses being offered and how simplified the process looks to be in obtaining the information needed. So I am very interested to hear what anyone has to say about this program. I am very seriously considering applying to this program for the fall 2021.

I would like to have started sooner but I didn't find this school until now and the deadline for this Spring's start was October 15th. The application deadline for Fall start is July 1st.

Any tidbits of information would be greatly helpful!!

You sound similar to me! I have no interest in a PhD as I don't want to beg for money as part of my job and have requirements to publish and present. I do enjoy research, but the requirement would take all the enjoyment out of it for me. Plus, I am more of a QI project and publish it type of person than a new novel contribution of a PhD level person. Like you mentioned, the DNP is not an education degree. CCNE won't accredit an education based DNP. Ohio State University is creating a new degree, a DNE, for this very reason. It's for those who want to teach without being researchers. However, it requires clinical experience and it is still a few years away. I always wanted an EdD as my master's is a MSN in nursing education. I wanted a broader perspective of higher education and adult learning. However, those programs don't qualify for NFLP and I am not taking out more student loans. Then I found Clarkson College. The EdD is in healthcare education and leadership. So I love that the education component is more broad and I love that I get to pull in the leadership piece too. But it's still specific enough that I was able to get NFLP funding. I wanted a unicorn and it took me 4.5 years to find. I start next month. I am SO excited. I've heard from several graduates that it's a high quality program. It's also a "real" school. Capella is a diploma mill for profit school. That's why you hear horror stories. Clarkson is a private nonprofit school that is affiliated with Univ of Nebraska Medicine. I haven't even started but I would highly recommend it!

lyndsay1985 · Dec 4, 2020

Wow! How Wonderful! Congrats to You!

It's nice to hear from someone who shares the same perspective on this as I do- I too am more of a QI girl myself as well. I have never heard of the DNE before that is quite interesting! but I don't know that I want to sit and wait around for that to materialize or if it's going to materialize IDK.

I am very glad to have stumbled across Clarkson and I will be attending in the fall! I'm looking forward to it! I would love to continue talking with you throughout the program to hear of your experiences and how you like the school. I'm just sorry I didn't find this out sooner LOL I'll just be a cohort behind you.

Thank you,

Lyndsay