Can someone PLEEEEASE explain INSULIN DRIPS?

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I'm about halfway through my first year in the ICU at a community hospital and have had a few patients on insulin drips for various reasons over the past couple of weeks. As a new grad, I'm always trying to learn, and always wanting to make sure I know why I'm doing something. So I'm always asking questions and fortunately, coworkers are very helpful.

However, the issue that has seem to come up with insulin drips lately is something it seems nobody in the unit understands or can explain, and has me questioning if some of the physicians even really know what they're doing.

The issue revolves mostly around the actual purpose of the insulin drip, and whether or not patients on an insulin drip are allowed to eat.

I'll try to briefly explain two scenarios:

Example 1: 32y/o type 1 diabetic turned off his insulin pump while sick. Arrived in DKA with sugars in the 600s and on an insulin drip running at a constant rate of 5 units/hr. Doctor called later to see if the pt. is "ok," didn't even ask what his sugars were (they were running 200s to 300s) and said to start him on an 1800 ADA diet. Later the doc shows up and tells me he doesn't care about the sugars, just the acidosis (which had been resolving). He told me in DKA the insulin drip is just for the acidosis, not the sugars. :confused: Pt. went home with sugars under control and normal acetones later that night.

Example 2: 72 y/o COPD'er that was started on 40 of IV solumedrol, sending his sugars into the 500s. Patient was put on our insulin drip protocol, which is rather confusing and assumes the patient is NPO. Sugars are down to 169 after being 200-300 all day (so he's almost off the drip). Primary doc arrived and said continue with the insulin drip, then put him on sliding scale when he's below 140 for two hours. When the pulmonologist arrives shortly after, and the patient begins complaining to him that I'm "starving" him by keeping him NPO. Pulmonologist then tells me to start him on an 1800 ADA or he's "going to go hypoglycemic and code" and "he will die". Cuts the solumedrol down to 20 but leaves me out to dry as far as the insulin drip goes and hurriedly runs out the door. So I call the primary, tell him what pulmonary said. He says OK, put him on medium dose sliding scale with q3h cbgs and let him eat. Three hours later he has a sugar of 453. I call the primary and he said to go ahead and give 20 units per sliding scale and check him again in 3 hrs. This was right before shift change so no idea what happened later...

Also, what about giving lantus while on an insulin drip? Some say yes, some say never.

My coworkers, some who have 30+ years ICU experience in major hospitals, all tell me they have never have a clue what the heck these doctors are doing with their insulin drips and that it defies logic - especially when it comes to eating on the drip. They tell me that in the old days, patients on insulin drips were ALWAYS npo.

Any explanations out there???

The reason that patients are placed on an insulin gtt for DKA has to do with normalizing the acidosis more so than blood sugar control. When ketones are made during DKA it puts your body in an acidotic state. So the insulin is given to 1. metabolize the ketones (if you can normalize this, you can get rid of the acidosis, and hyperosmolar state), and lowers the blood sugar at the same time. once the acidosis (and dehydrated state) is fixed, you are "sort of" out of the woods. We would place a patient on PO diet after sugars fall below 250 and transition them off the gtt and onto ss insulin. The key with DKA is to normalize the patients acidosis though, not just control blood sugar. Typically your type 1's are the ones with DKa and they become acidotic because their pancreas doesn't make ANY insulin. Type 2's make at least SOME insulin, which keeps them only from getting the acidosis. Blood sugars will still be high in both cases, but higher cog's typically occur in t1.

In our facility, patients on insulin gtts are NPO depending on the doctor. As someone else stated, most of the patients in DKA don't even feel like eating so not much of an issue.

I know this thread is old but just as an FYI, if anyone struggles with rationales behind DKA treatment, MedCram has an excellent video on DKA and treatment.

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