California license by endorsement denied

moki9204 · Apr 18, 2015

Hi Jessica1976! Im planning to go to CA BRN at Sacramento to bring up my concerns directly to the licensing supervisor. I sent you a pm for details.

steppybay · Apr 19, 2015

I am an international graduate, hold 4 different state licenses as RN. I applied for reciprocity to california but got denied. My classmate just got her license from California this week. We had the same school and curriculum. She asked my school to provide course description with the TOR which I did not ask my school to provide because my analyst did not say so. Her evaluator required the school to submit the course description. I am not sure why she was given the license but I wasnt. If I were to appeal should it be better to write a letter or go directly to Sacramento? If I write a letter, to whom shall I address it to since my analyst/evaluator is not helpful at all.

-- Did you and your batchmate graduated in the same year together?

-- What year did you guys graduate in together?

-- Did you and your batchmate take the same exact courses together and took all the cases and deliveries as in "joined at the hips", never separated for the entire 4 years?

With regards to the appeals process, you must do so within the first year of the application's denial letter or you lose the rights to the appeal. You should do this in writing and have your side of your presentation all and well documented.

Your denial letter should have included the information to state how to appeal their decision via the appeals process. If not, it should be stated within the CA BRN website on the procedure.

I'm not sure what moki9024 plans are to go there directly other than to see if a licensing supervisor will listen to the case without going thru the appeals process or what so maybe there's another way in or if it's explained here as there have been a few who have tried thru the appeals process, but at the end of the day, the CA BRN stayed with their original reasons for the declination.

steppybay · Apr 19, 2015

You guys and to others going into the appeals process, this is one of best arguments presented here and this was supposedly to be provided to the CA BRN by poster, leemoohan7, I'm not sure where leemoohan7 is at present and whether or not, the application was denied or approved after this.

Had leemoohan7 met with success, it would be great if it could be updated, whether it make it thru or was rejected again.

Click here to that link and if you wish further add your comments, please do so others can benefit from the advice.

https://allnurses.com/nurse-registration/endorsment-and-exhibit-956954.html

Maybe moki9024 has or will use these same arguments or has more to add?

steppybay · Apr 19, 2015

This is an excerpt from an August 18, 2013:

Here's just two of other's statement and these are their own direct comments AND why the CA BRN is requiring all the EXTRA sets of documents (clinical books signed and dated, RLE books and etc) from the PH applicants to verify if they MATCH exactly what the sealed transcripts from our schools is sending them.

From kuyafern: I actually read the article from CA BRN. It's so crazy how they're hiring all of those investigators. I feel angry and at the same time disappointed at those applicants who had to fake their degrees. I know some students are known for trading cases with classmates to complete cases and for a fact I know students are very clever in altering cases. I would not be surprised if there will be applicants who alter their cases just to have concurrent cases. All I can say is selfish.

To applicants altering their papers:

I've come a long way to become an RN. A US-RN. I've worked hard for this and have been honest on my application. It's not hard guys. I remember joining this forum last year around march-april looking for help so I could get a license in the US. If you are so focused on becoming an RN in California, then meet the requirements, don't alter your cases, hours or other requirements. You will just ruin things for those honest applicants.

To everyone else, keep your head up guys.

From squallnisha: I strongly agree to you guys. I know a lot of students that altered and adjusted their documents to comply with the BRN requirements just to stay here in CA and be with their families. But, the main question is how will they know if it is really altered or not? Like my case. I was accused of altering my cases by my evaluator but honestly I really did all my cases concurrent with my theories. Most of my groupmate where midwifes and took Nursing classes to become a nurse. Most of them already completed their cases for DR/CDR, that given me the opportunity to complete my cases at the same time with my theory. I was really devastated when she told me those things but I found out that I was not the only one she accused of altering or faking documents. But, what I know for sure, this will not stop me becoming an RN here in Cali.

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Back to the topic, this is why the CA BRN suspects every application coming in from the Phils. They the evaluators and I'm sure all of their managers and the higher ups all the way to RN boards of directors, they have been ALL tricked and deceived by many PH grads and nurses, so thus everyone of us are going to be in the same pot. It's obvious that these applicants seem to be fairly new grads and probably comprises both males and females. Yes, it's only a few but I think that "few" is closer to a hundred or more as many have heard and know of the concurrency issues and are doing whatever the heck it takes to make the changes so they can qualify and the heck to all you other poor souls.

So guess why some of your "friends, friends of a friend or whatever friends" passed the CA BRN and got their ATT's and why so many today are now "forced out" of the CA market, forced to scramble to look for CA schools with nearly impossible enrollment and crowded out, forced to move out of state to find an approved NCLEX-RN state and to find a job in another state, not called "home". Recognize that there's a 3 year time bomb (in CA) on finishing any of the deficiencies before the 3 years of the application date expires or face the application being thrown out and have to start all over again with new non refundable application fee$$.

This is why I advocate that if you guys now of these "friends or batchmates or batchmate of a batchmate to simply let the CA BRN Enforcement know of them and you can do this without giving out your name and let the CA BRN do their work. These "friends and buddies" caused you and us your potential job, your livelihood to stay and work in CA, your family sanity and to those with both nagging and supportive family members on "why can't you stay in CA?"

I firmly believe that if we as honest and hard working PH grads and nurses cab show to the CA BRN that we stand with them to fight these fraudsters the better we will appear in the eyes of the CA BRN higher ups, but also to the CA evaluators to let them know we are against those that have hurt us all so badly. Please do not review our applications as "false and fake and full of crap".

Here's the CA BRN Enforcement FAQ's and of interest is the "FRAUD or theft offenses":

Board of Registered Nursing - Enforcement Frequently Asked Questions

Jessica1976 · Apr 23, 2015

thank you for trying to help but pls don't be sarcastic. We graduated at the same and has the same curriculum. Of course we did not have the same cases and of course I studied hard to become an RN and I did not commit any fraud. Don't generalize everybody coming from the Philippines. If you have to say something that's not nice pls don't say it at all coz you are not helping. This is supposed to be a support group for nurses. I did not bash anybody.

steppybay · Apr 23, 2015

thank you for trying to help but pls don't be sarcastic. We graduated at the same and has the same curriculum. Of course we did not have the same cases and of course I studied hard to become an RN and I did not commit any fraud. Don't generalize everybody coming from the Philippines. If you have to say something that's not nice pls don't say it at all coz you are not helping. This is supposed to be a support group for nurses. I did not bash anybody.

Sorry that you seem to have taken this as being "sarcastic" even a hint of being offensive. The other quotes are coming from my fellow kababayans in my above postings, then I moved it to another level.

I was not my intention at all that you're seeing this as being unsupportive and then you're entitled to your opinions. But I was not pointing fingers at you.

I didn't ever say you committed any fraud what I'm saying is that possibly as we have seen from their own postings from kuyafern and squallnisha they knew of their friends and contacts they personally knew "adjusted" (altered) their transcripts to that they could meet the CA BRN requirements and have moved forward to being a CA RN without having to re-take any additional courses.

It may be that your friend and as you stated "We graduated at the same and has the same curriculum. Of course we did not have the same cases..." That right there tells the CA BRN and to us, that your friend's transcripts met the requirements and that your evaluator saw without having to ask for the additional documents that was asked of your friend, you're not going to meet the minimum requirements.

It could be that your friend was very lucky to have taken her courses in a concurrent manner.

You can ask for your case to be appealed, just go thru the appeals process within one year of your application date and present them with the same transcripts that you (and your friend) went thru.

If however, you do know for a fact, that your cases and clinicals were not concurrent, then, you can still go thru the appeals but be prepared for the appeals board to stay with their initial decision of declination.

But if you feel that you are 100% concurrent and will present written proof of that, then go for it.

I don't know how much more anyone here can be more supportive as the next steps are up to you.

Whether or not, you take the advice or not is strictly up to you.

The reason I DO bash others is that those are the greedy and selfish PH nurses and grads who will do anything to get ahead of everyone else. This is one of the reasons why your application be it first time applying or trying to endorse a license were due to these "nurses", who I have referred to in these forum as cheaters and fraudsters. They are NOT "nurses" in my eye.

steppybay · Apr 23, 2015

This is just one reason why the CA BRN looks at our PH degrees and transcripts under the microscope:

https://allnurses.com/international-nursing/use-fake-transcripts-929155.html

This along with the known fact that anyone can simply go out and buy false documents from the streets of Recto and there are other postings of this issue.