CA early termination of probation

Anonymous2023 · Apr 23

Hi, did you hear back from them? I'm waiting too. The last update I got is that it was send to the probation monitor for review and then it will be send to the AG, that was on 3/18/2025. I'm still waiting for an update.

Tuknot55 · Apr 24

No, my packet has been at AG since February. I was told that they have so many cases and they are down workers at the AG office.

rockinpoodle13, ASN, RN · Apr 24

The earliest I have heard most people getting out was 6 months before their original date, meaning it could take 6 months to process. I'd be interested to hear when you get an update.

Tuknot55 · Apr 25

OK, I will post here when I know something. It will be exactly three months tomorrow.

Anonymous2023 · Apr 25

rockinpoodle13 said:

The earliest I have heard most people getting out was 6 months before their original date, meaning it could take 6 months to process. I'd be interested to hear when you get an update.

I will post when I get an update.

Anonymous2023 · Apr 25

Tuknot55 said:

No, my packet has been at AG since February. I was told that they have so many cases and they are down workers at the AG office.

Oh no! Is frustrating, I hope they hire more people soon. I went through this about two years ago, when they were short of probation monitors, it took forever for them to approve my employment forms.

Anonymous2023 · Apr 25

Tuknot55 said:

OK, I will post here when I know something. It will be exactly three months tomorrow.

Good luck I hope you get a decision soon. I will post here too, as soon as they send me an update. I submitted my application in February, but it was just send to the AG on March.

NurseJackie69 · Apr 25

They need that money. The longer it takes to make a decision, the longer you remain in the program which means.........they are getting that money. Criminal in my opinion. the decision should be made no more than 1 week from the time you request it and you should have an answer within 1 week. These people are scum in my opinion.

Tuknot55 · Apr 26

I paid everything, I'm so tired of going to the mailbox

rockinpoodle13, ASN, RN · Apr 26

NurseJackie69 said:

They need that money. The longer it takes to make a decision, the longer you remain in the program which means.........they are getting that money. Criminal in my opinion. the decision should be made no more than 1 week from the time you request it and you should have an answer within 1 week. These people are scum in my opinion.

Since the insanity of these programs is finally being exposed to some degree, I wish someone would find out what percentage of the testing fees the board keeps. 50%? 60%? What is the dollar amount they are making off of our suffering?

NurseJackie69 · Apr 27

It's tough for the programs to change or any real meaningful change to occur. For Starters. Here are the reasons why change is tough and likely will never happen, or happen at a turtle pace taking 20 years for real change to occur.

1. Nurses in monitoring programs are similar to criminals from the public perspective regarding how much the public (non-nursing) actually CARE about a nurse getting screwed over by the BON in a monitoring program because that person in the public has some feelings of "well, the nurse kind of deserved it," while at the same time, that person in the public has some compassion as well, but overall, it's not a major cause they are going to get behind to force change.

2. Medical Doctor (BOM) programs are much better ran because everyone setting on the BOM has a Doctoral Degree. The level of education is not about IQ. That level of education is about EQ (Emotional Intelligence). Studies have shown IQ doesn't change very much. We are born with it and it remains relatively constant for our entire lives, but EQ is different. It is strongly correlated with education level, so when lawyers or nurses try to push the BON for change, the BON very quickly points to "how well the Board of Medicine Monitoring Programs" do and that they don't have as many complaints. The reason for this is.........BON's have many Associate Degree Nurses on them. There isn't going to be the PHD Research Nurse or the DNP Nurse Practitioner or DNAP Nurse Anesthetist on these Boards of which these nurses generally have very high emotional intelligence (EQ). Exceptions exist, but in general, these people are just simply more emotionally intelligent, so the old statement about "nurses eating their own" is very true. The BON is a reflection of all nurses as a whole. Sadly, it's who we are. You are dealing with massive Concrete Thinking at the BON, largely due to EQ and education level. Piaget nailed it on stages of development and these stages also deal with the ability to THINK outside of the box. The BON is stuck at the Concrete Operations Stage. The BOM is at the Formal (abstract thinking, ability to see problems as multivariable.) Many nurses (not all, but many including many on the BON) are stuck at that Concrete Operations (thinking) Stage. They are almost Robotic. For example, when asked what color the sky is, the BON responds, "The sky is blue." But, for that given day, we have rain and clouds and you SHOW the BON the sky on that given day with rain and clouds and explain to them, "The sky is actually gray today." The BON simply can't grasp that concept. They respond, "the Sky is blue, we've always been taught the sky is blue." The example here is the ability to "abstractly THINK." The BON can't do that. It's robotic, concrete, EVEN in the face of FACTS presented to them. They just can't get it. The Board of Medicine on the other hands, understand the concept that for that given day with rain and clouds in the sky, the Sky actually is Gray today, it's not blue.

3. The example about put into actual real life? A nurse has a positive urine alcohol. The nurse has a UTI that causes it. The BON knows one thing (robotic in nature) that a positive urine alcohol is positive for alcohol, period. The abstract concepts that go along with the CAUSE of that urine test showing positive for alcohol and getting them to understand and accept it is like throwing water on an electrical circuit. They just can't deal with it very well. They can understand or easily accept how bacteria produce sugar which can then ferment which then can produce alcohol. For the Board of Medicine? Easy concept and all is well. For the BON, it's like pulling teeth for them to come around. When you have this level of thinking (Concrete Operations) you have a MESS. It's also why Physicians and Lawyers literally joke, they laugh behind our backs as nurses at the level of ignorance. It's not IQ ignorance they are laughing at. It's the lack of EQ (Emotional Intelligence). The sad part is......it doesn't matter how many FACTS you present to the BON form the outside in the form of lawyers or physicians or recovering professionals or therapists, they STILL simply revert straight back to the Concrete Reasoning upon hearing these facts and will literally Double Down and actually get Defensive, Aggressive when challenged. Concrete Reasoning is very difficult to change. It's like taking your average 11 year old and trying to teach him or her a College Philosophy Class which deals with the abstract, abstract reasoning and thinking. What would the 11 year old (most of them) do? They get angry. The double down on their comfort level of concrete thinking. They get defensive, etc. The BON is EXACTLY the same.

4. Lawyers that are/were nurses that challenge the BON. Many lawyers that were from a nursing background are making their living by the BON placing people in monitoring programs. Yes, they challenge the BON on behalf of their clients, but think about it like "small town corruption in the South." A situation where the defendant has to pay his defense attorney lots of money who then pays the prosecutor, and they pay both the judge. The money to pay these 3 off comes from the defendant. Did the Defense Attorney help that individual that was in trouble? Yes, he or she did, but did the Defense Attorney do anything substantial to stop the corrupt system among the prosecutor and judge? No, they didn't, because that Defense Attorney knows another defendant will come their way and that defense attorney is making money and he or she doesn't want to rattle or upset the "system." Same thing with nurse attorneys who represent nurses in monitoring programs. These nurse attorney's often know many members of the BON. They work with the BON regularly. Sure, they will "try" to get the nurse they are representing the "best deal," but that attorney is not going to do anything to challenge the entire corrupt system because that attorney has 3 voicemails from other nurses who need help and are about to pay him.

The only way change occurs is if you have a savvy attorney who does a class action suit or you have a member of the US Congress who is a nurse take action. This congressional member will have to have some emotional tie to someone who has been screwed over by the BON, and that member of Congress gets the US Federal Justice System involved. The odds of that are..........low.