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Hello. I don't know if this is the correct place. Just new here. I am BON for CA for an incident as RN in 2011. But since then, I have had the chance to become an NP. Sept 2016 was when order came into effect. So, I cant find work as NP, or RN. Interviews for RN question my "you are NP, do you know what RN does? And how will you react when NP tells you things?". As NP, they want someone independent, not cosigning and checking up on most charts and me consulting with them twice a shift. I know there are you guys out there for a bit longer than me without Jobs, but it just gets psych downgrading each time there is a face to face interview and you have to disclose the order and to have 2 job offers rescinded, although it was known to them ahead of time on the application. I was also reported to the NPDB but not OIG as of the last time I checked. I have AANP certification and AANP has reminded mw to apply again for this year... And the main person in charge of renewal also assured me via email to apply. Juat need to get out of this rut... Not many PT jobs, as I can only do PT due to family responsibilities. Just thanks for listening.

Hello, I am in a similar scenario as you. I am currently in the process of fighting an accusation from several years ago and awaiting a hearing; I too have also completed an NP program and feel that this will not matter in the end. I also understand your frustration about applying for positions only to have them rescinded. I have been advised to be open and honest about my accusation but it doesn't seem to help. The frustration this has caused is overwhelming. I have asked for letters of recommendation only to have some past managers or supervisors refuse to issue me one because of "legal reasons" despite having a flawless record. I honestly am disgusted by being in this profession for all the absolute BS this has been causing. Its a financial, emotional, and personal nightmare. Have you had any chance in getting a job as an NP? Or any job? Because I have no luck ...even out of state because of this pending accusation.

Nope. No job since Sept 2016. ALSO, the DEA is looking into this matter as I have a DEA Certificate. Lol (out of frustration, not for funny matter). So if the DEA calls it, I will be reported yet a second time to NPDB, once by the CA Board, then 2nd if by DEA deem me unfit, then that definitely will be putting me on the OIG.gov website as blacklist this leper RN.

The best I am doing is applying for jobs that don't really take Federal monies, private office, cash pay, so at least there is something there.... But once OIG has you on the list.... I don't know if I will be employable.

I'm still going to interviews and making sure I'm up to date bc the good docs ask you a bunch of case scenario NP pt cases of all types and ages of pt...and you have to give your ddx, patho, assessment, positive/negative PE findings, labs, tx, etc. And hope they like the way you answer and think. If you blow them away, then they may consider.... Also bring as many letters rec you can to interview. I'm so sorry you are having trouble with some of them.

Keep trying, bc some days when I help a neighbor, or a family member get what they want and need, it reminds me that I am an awesome kick ass NP and no one is going to rip that away from me....

Funny, the AANP certified me to 2022! Yet another small victory! Just hope that I can use it.... Or they may also report that to OIG if they rescind that certification. I have to find out if they so for sure report it.

Oh, for CA....any job you may want, even Burger King, the Board has to know and be notified and job has to be approved. Via letter or pdf or something. I am volunteering for a one day few hrs event not associated with Nursing, and I still had to write a statement, and the organization had to write statement with Board wording and get approved. Yeeeea.í ½í¸ží ½í¸–

Greatttttt.... What happens when you are reported to the NPDB? What does that mean? I think this is a little ridiculous. I am a new NP. Should I even bother applying for certification or just wait until this whole thing shakes out?

National Providers DataBase.... Your mistake (MDs, optometrist, other profession) gets listed there for LIFE for all background checks to see. You will get a letter from them saying that you have been reported, and can reply back an answer online. But my lawyer told me it's useless since the settlement I agreed, put in writing that "I admit to the truth" and of "everything" as stated In the settlement. No use arguing, that should have been done in court... Which of course would and could possibly add on more accusations on your license. I don't agree with it on NPDB, but then again, I don't have $50k to pay my lawyer for the whole court process and possibly another $50k to pay the Board DAG salary when I lose. And I've already paid approx $35k as is.... and no job and using savings to pay Board their settlement fee of approx $11k.

Try to email the certification person and ask their opinion. I heard, that in CA now, since 2016, all NPs must be certified in order to practice, but MDs don't. Yeeeep. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

We nurses are the brunt of everything. First we are seen as lowly beings when this profession first came out (some prostitutes were actually the first nurses), then we get dinged for every mistake and are expected to be perfect beings who are always perfect or our mistake get recorded somewhere FOREVER.

Last time the certification person emailed me was that as long as your NP license is current, they will certify you. So don't give up hope yet!

Oh, even trying to volunteer for RN or NP got me no where. Ha! What good is my education for then I wonder some days? I get like that bc it's just so hopeless at times, or so it feels. I know I still like medicine bc I love learning new stuff and finding out more things about it.

I'm so sorry you are a new NP starting off and going through this hardship. It can be tough. I do tell prospective employers about my board status bc if they can't hire you, I'd rather be told right off the bat, and not have to find out later. As far as accusation is concerned, yes, if on your license already, that needs to be brought up. There is usually a question on the hiring paperwork about something like that. Knock on wood for all us fallen Angels. And yes.... As the Board says, "may God have mercy"

Wow.... I have been planning to relocate out of state for the last 2 years and the mess this has been causing so far is hard to believe. I have only been looking for 2 months however I have received numerous job offers on the spot, only to have them all rescinded even after disclosing the accusation as required on applications. From this point forward I also would rather mention my accusation at the interview so they can choose to continue or not; I went to an expensive and reputable NP program here in California and I feel all of my time and tuition money has been a complete waste.... All for failing to not know to waste narcotics with a second witness as a young and inexperienced nurse....over 3 years ago!! The mess that this has caused and continues to cause is unbelievable. As I continue to fight the accusation of "diversion, and "Gross negligence and incompetence" I have asked my previous supervisor and manager for a letter of recommendation but as soon as I mention my error they refuse for "legal reasons" to protect their hospital company. In addition, I have applied for numerous jobs out of state only to have them rescinded within one week. I also have spent 15k+ so far and this hasn't gone to a hearing yet, which I have no idea will be how much. Had I known the absolute catastrophe this would have caused I would have chosen a similar but other career path...not regulated by the board of nursing. I've had enough. How in the world am I supposed to pay back my student loans let alone support myself if no one can offer me a job even as an RN??! If I am potentially disciplined in California my probation will be tolled FOREVER as I will not be in the state to fulfill requirements...on top of that I have to pay another lawyer (15-25k) to fight sister state disciplinary actions in the east coast. I seriously don't know what to do because I had to quit my job while in NP school to complete clinical requirements and now I can't find employment despite having 2 master degrees in nursing.

I find this hard to swallow because I initially went into nursing with the belief that nurses were sweet, kindhearted, and caring individuals. Little did I know. Make one innocent mistake, intentional or not, and we are blacklisted for LIFE.

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Omg!!!!!!!!! I'm soooo soooo sorry!!!!! Oh no!!!!!! That is just horrible! But if you go to another state, know they, other state, may put you on probation also! Also states such as TX and AZ are very punitive towards nurses. I have read on the boards that Nursing position in recovery may be good job. I have applied but not been called back. CNA LVN and med assist jobs don't call me back either....

Oh man! ������������ I followed MD orders after consulting up chain command.... And still got in trouble. Worse, everyone denied I ever talked to them bc no documentation of it. I can't document conflicting feelings, as we learned , we cant type I disagree with everyone, but everyone says yes....

If there is job with writing triplicates, DEA will get involved for sure, when you apply. I feel so bad for you. Can you ask colleagues to write you letter of rec? Or MDs who may be close to you? When you go to hearing, as many letters of recommendation you get may be good, if not for sight on seeing so many , like the movie about Santa...where the post office dumps sacks after sacks of letters in court? My 26 recommendation letter were from coworkers, one from then current boss, and none from bosses from the place where I had been "negligent" because, like you said, the legal aspect of it all associated with the magnet hospital name. OMG! BTW, the Board NEVER read and considered any of my letters. But at least the judge may consider them.

I believe that you have a lawyer already? If not, please get one they may help. I feel so sad.... Another wonderful nurse in this situation. :(. I have worked with other nurses who let a 5150 pt go 10 feet away from them, others who dont pay attention and a BP 80/58 is ok... Till I paged a doc for their, not mine pt. OMG!!!!! EKG on potential MI pt not done in 15 min, but still waiting EKG 30 min later..... And we are blogging here. God really have mercy.

Don't give up yet... See what happens. Try to apply for jobs, and maybe volunteer jobs may be kind to you. I am still applying for volunteering jobs. I may consider nanny...but keep updating your knowledge because job interviews may test you. Frenisus dialysis may hire.... DaVita will not, I tried and they are part of HealthCare Partners I believe, and want unrestricted licenses. Don't give up yet.

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I am surprised you are considering LVN and CNA positions. Its funny because when I sought advice from my nursing professor who was also an ex board of nursing member, she assured me a potential probation wouldn't be a big deal...but from what I am searching everyone is saying they have been unemployed for at least 1 year and when they do find a position, its a lowly position.. I don't know what is worse- You can't even utilize your highest degree you've earned and worked so hard for!

Agreed. Right now any job in health care is good for me, at least one which can get me off probation, if Board agrees. Patient coordinator jobs seem more paperwork and less of RN restrictions. I am also considering $7 caregiver jobs. As far as I know, I do the best job I can to pay off whatever bills come my way. They are getting MSN critical thinking for whatever pay they are paying.

I wonder, if those Board members actually had to go through what they dish out, would they have dished out such a sentence. I utilize my degree in helping family members and friends who ask for help and I have not wronged them re a diagnosis yet. But I do tell them with a caveat, i am a "negligent" nurse and "lacking in critical thinking" so dont take me as seriously, to which they laughed and said "of course!"

I get a kick every time, and when the diagnosis comes out exactly like what I told them with labs and plan and all. :)

Well hang in there -It is comforting to know that someone understands what this feels like. I do know a private physician that would be willing to offer you a volunteer position here in Southern California if you have no leads. He was one of my preceptors while in NP school and took all our school's students. He owns his own practice and its very busy- You could at least learn a lot of family medicine while meeting your board requirements.

OMG. Awesome. Thank you. I am getting rusty a bit from lack of daily practice. I need to see what the DEA says first. If they will give me my certificate. If they do, it will be a lot easier going into Family Practice. I will keep post let you has happened.

I am thankful to have met you on this board. There aren't a lot of nurses like us. And like you said, it's comforting to know that you're not the only one. Keep on trying. I will too, Even though it doesn't seem like I want to go on fighting.

I understand how you feel...this has been so draining in every aspect of my life where you think..."is this worth fighting?"...but keep in mind 'This Too Shall Pass'. Hang in there and keep fighting. The board can't take away your education from you and thats powerful in itself.

I hope it will pass soon. I feel you Zahir! I have applied for family counseling support position, at least I can use my BA psychology with some nursing knowledge somewhere.... Or win the over $400 mill power ball jackpot

Hahaha. Hey, who knows, we can all use a little help.

Oh, probation.... They took 6 months or so to sign the settlement for me, which then gave me a month before it started for me to look for something before probation started. My employer knew about this way before when accusation was posted, assured me it will be ok for now (when I gave them the possible outcome of probation or reprimand letter, moat likely probation) then fired me after finding out it was probation I got... When they knew way back then. So I had saved as much money as I could, not trusting ppl (no documentation, never done, right?). So goes it.

"I get knocked down, but I get up again

You are never gonna keep me down

I get knocked down, but I get up again

You are never gonna keep me down

I get knocked down, but I get up again"

I never really cared for Katy Perry... Till my baby was playing this on utube after Sing. It's his favorite song. It helps before interviews for me to mentally have these lyrics before going in.

Do you ever feel like a plastic bag

Drifting thought the wind

Wanting to start again

Do you ever feel, feel so paper thin

Like a house of cards

One blow from caving in

Do you ever feel already buried deep

Six feet under scream

But no one seems to hear a thing

Do you know that there's still a chance for you

'Cause there's a spark in you

You just gotta ignite the light

And let it shine

Just own the night

Like the Fourth of July

'Cause baby you're a firework

Come on show 'em what your worth

Make 'em go "Oh, oh, oh!"

As you shoot across the sky-y-y

Baby you're a firework

Come on let your colors burst

Make 'em go "Oh, oh, oh!"

You're gonna leave 'em fallin' down down down

You don't have to feel like a waste of space

You're original, cannot be replaced

If you only knew what the future holds

After a hurricane comes a rainbow

Maybe a reason why all the doors are closed

So you can open one that leads you to the perfect road

Like a lightning bolt, your heart will glow

And when it's time, you'll know

You just gotta ignite the light

And let it shine

Just own the night

Like the Fourth of July

'Cause baby you're a firework

Come on show 'em what your worth

Make 'em go "Oh, oh, oh!"

As you shoot across the sky-y-y

Baby you're a firework

Come on let your colors burst

Make 'em go "Oh, oh, oh!"

You're gonna leave 'em fallin' down down down

Boom, boom, boom

Even brighter than the moon, moon, moon

It's always been inside of you, you, you

And now it's time to let it through

'Cause baby you're a firework

Come on show 'em what your worth

Make 'em go "Oh, oh, oh!"

As you shoot across the sky-y-y

Baby you're a firework

Come on let your colors burst

Make 'em go "Oh, oh, oh!"

You're gonna leave 'em fallin' down down down

Boom, boom, boom

Even brighter than the moon, moon, moon

Boom, boom, boom

Even brighter than the moon, moon, moon

Keep applying and you might like it better than nursing; I'll be honest I really hated bedside nursing-its why I chose to do an NP because I was tired of just completing orders; I also have a BS in Biology and going to apply for an emergency teaching credential and if I get probation Im going to consider other similar fields in clinical research, coordinator positions, or perhaps work for the city. Im not sure what will happen, but I cannot be blacklisted for years because of documentation issues which the hospital should have corrected if it was considered so "egregious."

I wanted to be an NP because I got tired of correcting Doctors Medical orders. I frequently have to tell them what meds dosage or remind them of possible labs, to give/do in the patients in ICU. Sometimes the doctors don't listen, and I have to go to my charge nurse and then the doctors attending before I get any respect. But being an NP does it mean you get respect either. Some nurses are angry at you, and some doctors think you don't know anything.

Also, I thought, if I furnished an order, it would be on me. Not that the doctor's order, if I disagree and didn't document I went up the chain of command, I would still get in trouble for giving it. It's also funny and ironic, that when I go to see a doctor or interviews, some of them remember me and tell me that they remember me because I was a good nurse and because I took care of patients very well that is why they remember me. Very ironic.

I was an ICU RN as well! Did you have your NP before all this probation hit?? I don't understand why they would discipline your NP license also if you were working as an RN. The 2 professions are so different!! Im worried because if the BON treats nurses like they are I can only wonder if being an NP would be any different.

According to the board of nurses, NP are nurses. I worked in ICU for 4 years and got my NP barely the last year 2011 I worked there before I was fired for this incident. I then had been working as an NP for another four years till 2015 when I got the accusation and 2016 for probation.

SO, because in California NPs are RNs, my public health nursing, my Furnishing nursing, my NP licenses all are under probation. It's a travesty, but that's why my licenses and my DEA certificate are under scrutiny. Which is crazy, I never furnished anything in violation of the DEA. Nor have I diverted nor trafficked any narcotics. The doc of course who wrote order and the pharmacy who brought over the order, after I had talked to them and made them aware of dosing (provided the meds) are clean. So is the charge RN and the attending who were consulted. All who denied ever knowing anything when asked.

But yes. BON controls all nursing licenses. Including NP, is why I can't find anything so far. Interviews say yes, until they find out about probation a little later. They all want NPs to work independently, which my probation needs me on minimal supervision of face to face plus other things including chart reviews like a PA.