Apollo Group/University of Phoenix guilty of fraud for recruiting practices

Trauma Columnist · Jan 16, 2008

I sure do take exception to your statement that UofP is a diploma mill. Both the BSN and MSN program which I completed are fully accredited and have allowed me to pursue further education. Just because recruiting practices are being questioned, does not mean the school is a "diploma mill." Accreditation speaks for itself.

And, I assure you, I'm not a "stupid nurse."

GilbertDaddy · Jan 16, 2008

I sure do take exception to your statement that UofP is a diploma mill. Both the BSN and MSN program which I completed are fully accredited and have allowed me to pursue further education. Just because recruiting practices are being questioned, does not mean the school is a "diploma mill." Accreditation speaks for itself.
And, I assure you, I'm not a "stupid nurse."

I don't think you read the bottom :)

I am hopeful they do get the accreditation here in AZ.. Any more alternatives to the other programs out there are great to have. Here in AZ, there are less than a handful of colleges with online/alternative programs. We desperately need more.

But like I said, though I have considered ponying up the large amount for Apollo College's program, which transitions to UoP's program later on, even if I think it's worthwhile, others still have a negative view of it =/

For example, HR departments in 3 of my last positions over the last 8 years ALL put UoP applications at the bottom of the line.

So even if _I_ don't believe it's a paper mill.. the hiring departments of the world, do..

Not sure how it equates to in the nursing business. Hopefully they're less picky. But in business/IT... it's somewhere between an Associates and a "real" BA.

When I left my last job, it was disclosed by a friend in HR that my position was going to go to a UoP grad, but they figured my Associates was just as good as their BA. Our experience was the same, but I got the first interview because they put UoP apps at the bottom of the pile.

Right now the pass rates for Apollo/UoP in AZ aren't that great (I think somewhere in the 60's?), but it's new and improving.

I'm cheering for em. Any alternative is great.

GilbertDaddy · Jan 16, 2008

Ah found it :)

http://www.azbn.gov/documents/nclex/RN%20NCLEX%20Quarterly%20Reports%20Q3%202007.pdf

Unfortunately it looks like UoP has had 3 straight rounds of 100% failure rates =/

I don't see any 07 scores so I wonder if they've since cancelled the program in AZ.

Apollo is doing better though. While their average is 66%, the most recent batch is 84% which is a solid improvement.

Trauma Columnist · Jan 16, 2008

Okay - so they are discussing the new-RN pass rates? In that case, yes I do believe doing brick and mortar classes for lab and clinicals is definitely needed. I was already an RN with 8 years experience when I went to UofP because it worked well with my schedule. However, my BSN and MSN were well-regarded and very much equal to anyone else's BSN and MSN.

suni, BSN, RN · Jan 17, 2008

I have to agree, I completed my BSN from UOP online and was amazed at how much I learned and how quickly I could apply the information. Great tech support and great instructors, teamwork terrible.

I do not think you should get an RN online due to the clinical aspect.

Trauma Columnist · Jan 17, 2008

Right Suni - I agree. The basic nursing education needs to be in person for the most part, especially A&P, micro, fundamentals, labs because it is with the intense interaction that you pick up your skill set and that is not something that can be taught online.

However, for those RNs wanting to further their education, UofP fits the bill.