Is this job (nurse anesthetist) really as good as Im reading or no? - pg.4 | allnurses

Is this job (nurse anesthetist) really as good as Im reading or no? - page 4

So basically Ive read around 150k a year, 36hr/wk, covered or low malpractice insurance and around 7 years of schooling/training and high demand? Am I missing something or is this job perfect?... Read More

  1. Visit  wtbcrna profile page
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    Quote from channtheman
    It gets old reading from the altruistic bunch who act like they never considered the pay raise they would achieve when going from an RN to a CRNA. I highly doubt anyone who has made the transition didn't think about the money. Obviously, it very likely isn't the only reason, but it has to play a part when deciding to pursue such a tough education.
    In the infinite wisdom of the USAF I actually make less as a CRNA than I would have had I stayed on USAF ICU nurse.
    When CRNAs try to tell CRNA hopefuls that money should be low on the list of why they want to become a CRNA then maybe there is reason....
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    Quote from wtbcrna

    In the infinite wisdom of the USAF I actually make less as a CRNA than I would have had I stayed on USAF ICU nurse.
    When CRNAs try to tell CRNA hopefuls that money should be low on the list of why they want to become a CRNA then maybe there is reason....
    How are you making less if pay is based on rank and time in grade? Did you get demoted? I thought the AF would give you bonuses. Just wondering. I was ADAF for 12 yrs.
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    Quote from manusko

    Sure did. No one would do this for free or a very little pay raise. The debt some of us build up would definitely require a higher income to pay off. I think the problem are those who have never even spoke to a CRNA and haven't started RN school but decided that they will be CRNAs one day. Over half my nursing class were gonna be CRNAs and as far as I know, I'm the only one so far who has gone to school. I'm sure most of it is annoyance.
    I completely agree with you. In our nursing school orientation years ago and instructor asked who was interested in becoming a CRNA and almost 2/3 of the class raised their hands! Some of which never had patient care experience.

    I was a nurse in the army before I went on to achieve my BSN, and have had the opportunity to work with CRNAs while deployed and was asked if I'd like to shadow, so I took the opportunity. I didn't even realize what a CRNA made until I was discharged (everyone in the army gets paid based on rank). All I knew was his job was kick ass and the autonomy and complexity of the job was right up my ally. But back to the point. Some nursing students who never laid a hand on a patient or have never even met a CRNA claim this is the field they want to go into.

    As of that I know, I am the only one from my graduating class of over 100 to have been accepted to CRNA school. I'm so nervous but excited to be in this position. It took a long time to get here but ready for the ride!
  4. Visit  nomadcrna profile page
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    Not sure how he figures this as nursing corp rank is not broken down based on what type of nursing you do.
    Military CRNA also get a very large yearly bonus.

    Quote from manusko
    How are you making less if pay is based on rank and time in grade? Did you get demoted? I thought the AF would give you bonuses. Just wondering. I was ADAF for 12 yrs.
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    Quote from wtbcrna
    In the infinite wisdom of the USAF I actually make less as a CRNA than I would have had I stayed on USAF ICU nurse.
    When CRNAs try to tell CRNA hopefuls that money should be low on the list of why they want to become a CRNA then maybe there is reason....
    I'm willing to wager that you are in the vast minority when it comes to actually seeing a pay decrease after becoming a CRNA. The reason CRNA's tell hopefuls to put money low on the list isn't (or at least it shouldn't) be because they will actually make less, as you imply with your statement. Rather it should be focused on how nurse anesthesia is a difficult 2-3 year program of study and if you don't actually have a passion for it, it will be very difficult to make it through.

    I make close to 50K gross as an RN in the ICU on night shift with 2 years of experience. I don't think you can find a civilian CRNA position that pays less than that. I would think less than 100k is difficult to find and those positions are probably only latched up by new grad CRNA's that refuse to move.
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    Quote from manusko
    How are you making less if pay is based on rank and time in grade? Did you get demoted? I thought the AF would give you bonuses. Just wondering. I was ADAF for 12 yrs.
    The retention bonus is higher for AF ICU nurses than CRNAs for the first 4.5-5years after school.
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    Quote from channtheman
    I'm willing to wager that you are in the vast minority when it comes to actually seeing a pay decrease after becoming a CRNA. The reason CRNA's tell hopefuls to put money low on the list isn't (or at least it shouldn't) be because they will actually make less, as you imply with your statement. Rather it should be focused on how nurse anesthesia is a difficult 2-3 year program of study and if you don't actually have a passion for it, it will be very difficult to make it through.

    I make close to 50K gross as an RN in the ICU on night shift with 2 years of experience. I don't think you can find a civilian CRNA position that pays less than that. I would think less than 100k is difficult to find and those positions are probably only latched up by new grad CRNA's that refuse to move.
    I'm not in the minority just a military CRNA.

    All CRNA wannabes should go to their NA interviews and tell the faculty that money is one of their top priorities, if that is the reason that supposably so many CRNAs get into anesthesia then the interviewing faculty shouldn't mind at all.
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    Quote from wtbcrna

    The retention bonus is higher for AF ICU nurses than CRNAs for the first 4.5-5years after school.
    Ok. Didn't understand. They paid for a hefty chunk of school then?
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    Quote from wtbcrna
    I'm not in the minority just a military CRNA.

    All CRNA wannabes should go to their NA interviews and tell the faculty that money is one of their top priorities, if that is the reason that supposably so many CRNAs get into anesthesia then the interviewing faculty shouldn't mind at all.
    I don't know if you are upset, but it sounds like you are. My main point in all of this was that CRNA's who act like money isn't an issue and never should be should just stop. Money DOES play a factor in every profession and choosing what one does with their life, whether you want to admit it or not. I've already talked about how it shouldn't be the only or main reason. I just tire of hearing from current CRNA's talk about how people who are intrigued by the profession, partly due to the increase pay are somehow evil/greedy.

    And now that I'm thinking about it, who cares if someone went to CRNA school strictly for the money? If they are a competent anesthesia provider after they graduate, why does anyone even care? Yes, I realize this goes against everything I've been saying, but really, who cares why people pick careers? Is a CRNA who went into the profession for the money a bad person?

    /rantover. bleh
    Last edit by channtheman on Jul 25, '13
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  10. Visit  wtbcrna profile page
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    Quote from manusko
    Ok. Didn't understand. They paid for a hefty chunk of school then?
    Yes, most military CRNAs goto school while active duty at one of the two military CRNA schools.
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    Quote from channtheman
    I don't know if you are upset, but it sounds like you are. My main point in all of this was that CRNA's who act like money isn't an issue and never should be should just stop. Money DOES play a factor in every profession and choosing what one does with their life, whether you want to admit it or not. I've already talked about how it shouldn't be the only or main reason. I just tire of hearing from current CRNA's talk about how people who are intrigued by the profession, partly due to the increase pay are somehow evil/greedy.

    And now that I'm thinking about it, who cares if someone went to CRNA school strictly for the money? If they are a competent anesthesia provider after they graduate, why does anyone even care? Yes, I realize this goes against everything I've been saying, but really, who cares why people pick careers? Is a CRNA who went into the profession for the money a bad person?

    /rantover. bleh
    I have made many posts on this exact same subject, so there is no reason to rehash this again and again. There are many people that feel the same way as you, but luckily they were all non CRNAs.

    Money was not my even close to my top reasons to become a CRNA and for the ones that become CRNAs just for the money then IMO they are unlikely to ever significantly do anything for the nurse anesthesia profession.

    If money is someone's top priority for becoming a CRNA and you see nothing wrong with it then you should not be afraid to tell the nurse anesthesia admissions committees that...
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    Quote from nomadcrna
    I suppose you evidence for the wild statements of money being the major factor? Or are you just pulling this from the air?

    Part of being a clinician/provider is understanding evidence based medicine. You can't just say something without evidence. So if you have any studies that show the CRNA are mainly in it for the money and prestige, post them. Otherwise, please stop giving unfounded opinions especially as you are not a CRNA and not a NP either.

    No offense intended.
    I believe that everyone has a right to post their opinion. After all, this is a blog. I also agree with the poster that money was a very important consideration for most people seeking the anesthesia specialty. If it weren't the case, most ICU nurses could have chosen to go into the ACNP or CCNS route. Whether a person states facts or opinions is their prerogative. Evidenced based medicine deals with the clinical aspects of translating research and applying it to the clinical settings. If a person states an opinion that is their right to do and should be respected.

    No offense intended.
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  13. Visit  SRNA4U profile page
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    Quote from manusko
    Ok. Didn't understand. They paid for a hefty chunk of school then?
    It's not just ICU nurses with the retention bonuses that are making more than the military CRNAs. All nurses who are certified in their specialty can receive the $20,000 a year bonus if they sign up for a 4 year commitment. It's just a matter of time I believe before the retention bonuses are taken away. Since the intent was to keep nurses in the military to compete with the civilian sector due to the supposed nursing shortage. Now that we know that the shortage is not as bad in some areas, I can't see the military continuing to issue the retention bonuses when a lot of people are not trying to leave the military since our workload at the bedside is nothing compared to how the civilian nurses work. At my part-time job, in the ICU we get 3 patients. In the military hospital where I work, we still have a 1:1 ratio and rarely will we go to a 2:1 ratio. Most military nurses in the ICU would not be able to last in the civilian ICU settings. In the military, we have technicians such as navy corpsmen, who can take their own ICU patient and do their own assessment and give PO meds. We have Army LPNs in the ICU and they get their own patient as well. In the civilian sector, I have never seen a CNA in their ICUs. We do primary nursing and just help our team mates out. I can honestly say that my work is not that bad in the military. If sequestration continues into FY 2014, Sec Hagel has already stated bonuses will be discontinued and promotions will be frozen and civilians staff will be laid off instead of furloughed. I'm leaving active duty at the right time.
    Last edit by SRNA4U on Jul 25, '13 : Reason: spelling error


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