ASN vs. BSN - page 3

it is becoming more and more popular to eliminate the associate degree nursing programs (asn-rn). do you think that is right? do you feel that a four year degree (bsn) should be the minimum requirement for a registered nurse... Read More

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    In most facilities in Texas, Rns are paid the same regardless of degree

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    Well said, JustinTRN.

    Nursing is a job. If you punch a clock and are taking 30 minute lunches, you have a job.

    A profession however comes with autonomy and independent choices and decisions.

    Like it or not, nursing will never become a profession as long as nurses allow themselves to be pushed to the extremes. Introducing silly, yes silly ideas as making a Bachelors Degree the only option to pass meds, wipe ass, suction patients, and TAKE and FOLLOW and CARRY OUT orders does not require a higher degree. Indeed, diploma nurses are working out just fine, no degree required.

    Consistently, Associate Degree nurses have higher pass rates on NCLEX than Bachelors. Bachelor degree nurses are "rewarded" with approximately $1000 PER YEAR higher salaries than Associates, and are lacking in the necessary skills and hands-on knowledge that is required at the lowly bedside.

    Indeed, elevating nurses self-worth and importance by stating that a higher degree will allow you to advance beyond working at the bedside says nothing to support the true nurse philosophy; taking care of patients.

    The industry is one of labour. Hard, bedside labour, enduring physical, mental, and emotional abuse from the lack of respect from the customer and their friends and relatives. Not to mention a nurses own co-workers who continually play the "I'm better than you" game with a lack of consideration for new nurses. And when a nurse states, "Doctor, I'm sorry to bother you but..." nothing has been accomplished professionally.

    Fight for more respect, but realize this is only a daily job with less benefits, retirement, and worse healthcare coverage than the people you take care of.

    A nursing career is pathetic. Rewarding maybe, but pathetic.
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    Quote from blondesareeasy

    Consistently, Associate Degree nurses have higher pass rates on NCLEX than Bachelors. Bachelor degree nurses are "rewarded" with approximately $1000 PER YEAR higher salaries than Associates, and are lacking in the necessary skills and hands-on knowledge that is required at the lowly bedside.
    Claims have been made by both camps.

    Do you have data to support your view regarding pass rates and skills? Does the ADN really have greater hands-on skills upon entry?

    According to this site, BSN students have a higher pass rate than ADN, but diploma grads beat them both! (scroll to the bottom)
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    I am from the same area as you (I would suspect since I am a commuter at VU) and I completely disagree. I know many CNO's, nursing directors and a CEO of a hospital and they find most IVY tech students under qualified compared to students who received their degree at a University. However, going to the issue of whether ASN programs should be cut, I think it should. If we want to be looked at as professionals in our field higher level of education is needed. With the advancement in technology and the roles of nurses changing there is a need for a nurse who has a higher critical thinking and strives to be a life long learner. Whether we like to admit it or not, society often views nurses as people who were not smart enough to go through and be a physician. If you don't believe me on this, watch Gray's Anatomy (One Dr. tried dating a nurse and was constantly made fun of because she was dating a "nurse"). I often times even find myself defending my career choice on why I choice being a RN over a Dr. While I disagree with this, it is an imagine that has been on our field for years. Making this a BSN program is going to not only promote the fact that being a nurse requires highly educated professionals in our field but also weed out those who truly don't want to be nurses. If someone is doing it for the money a 2 year degree is easy to obtain compared to a 4 year degree.
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    At Hoosierjumper- that is ridiculous to think an ASN is less apt to "critically" think or that a BSN program gives you the education needed to work with such advancing technology over an ASN. I know so many RNs of varying education that never do much as put a foley into a live person prior to graduating- let's work on the basics before we tote about advancements in technology and even begin to correlate that to higher education.

    Why would anyone ever think an ASN RN isn't a lifelong learner? Many people in this world despise formalized education and test taking. This, by no means, infers that the nurse is not continually learning nor actively seeking new skills and better evidenced based practices.

    In addition, to even cite a bunch of trite hogwash as Grey's Anatomy to emphasize a point is asinine.

    Ivy Tech's "2 year degree " is a minimum of 3 years and generally accomplished in 4 years due to stiff competition, and the order in which prereqs are required to be taken.

    The great thing about registered nursing are all the other professions that bridge into it like practical nursing and paramedics.

    Then finally to just make a, perhaps, unnecessary point, but one that has greatly humored me the last 2 weeks; during my ACLS recertification, I did multiple mega codes with an NP at my side who was highly educated, very smart but she kept wanting to shock PEA. Now, does that really reassure a pt if they had been an onlooker and understood what PEA is? Perhaps, the take away would be a much more highly educated NP can write a thesis on diabetes and research practices regarding diabetes, but as an ASN with a specialty the ASN can be equally or more effective than one with a "higher education".

    Regarding employment... To each his own.
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    Most hospitals are starting to require RNs to obtain their BSN. That's why I am starting the RN-BSN program next month.

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