Direct entry and graduate entry programs II - page 20

Hello all, Its been mentioned before about ending our thread and starting a new one. Think it was tried a few months ago. Maybe it is time now, seeing as the thread is 72 pages long. That is... Read More

  1. by   bruinlaura
    [QUOTE=soontobenp]
    ~ Does anyone have any experience with international nursing? I would like to go into this (to work with organizations like Doctors Without Borders, or similar) field, and am wondering if Family NP is too general for this type of work.
    QUOTE]

    at columbia's welcome bbq a friend of mine asked a prof about this. they encouraged her to stick with fnp because of the broad base of knowledge provided. they also noted that in an acute care program you would be using a lot of fancy technology not available in the remote areas that most int'l orgs go to. i don't know about any community health or if there is an np program for that but it sounds like something to investigate as well. allnursingschools.com was a great resource for me when I was starting to investigate these programs. and there are more and more cropping up every year. good luck with your search.
  2. by   breebunny
    Quote from smile123
    Hi Bree,
    Sorry for the delay! These accelerated classes at Hopkins have us going to class from 7:30 am or 8am to 5:30pm at night M - Th. Then we have to studying and do homework for the next day. On Fridays we have clinical and visit our patient (we are assigned to one to work with for the next 6 weeks). It's definitely accelerated! But I like it,

    UCSF is the most competitive in my opinion. I have known 2 people that have gotten in (both of them applied a 2nd time to get in) and one person who got in after being on the waitlist for her specific focus area in the MEPN program.

    I don't know about the others you listed.

    I applied to UCSF(MEPN), U of Washington (MEPN) , U of San Diego (MEPN), Seattle U (MEPN), and Hopkins (MEPN). I also applied to San Franicsco State U (accelerated 2 year BSN), DeAnza (CC for 2 yr ADN), as backup plans. (I didin't want to wait a year and not be in a nursing school!). I would encourage you to apply for BSN and ADN programs too! You just want to get that RN degree. You can always go back to school and work fulltime; some hospitals will pay for part or all of your tuition for further education once you have your RN.

    I applied to Hopkins as a last minute thing; I really wanted to stay on the West Coast, preferably in the SF Bay Area, so I wouldn't have to move. But Hopkins had an accelerated BSN program (13.5 months) and they were extremely flexible; you could apply to direct entry, defer for a year before going on for the masters, work full time or part time after the BSN, take full time or a part time load, etc. Plus, they don't require chemistry, so you could apply there too!

    I got into all of them except UCSF (700 people for 75 slots, of which there are only 5 or 6 slots for the specific focus area - I was going for FNP which is one of the most popular!), Seattle U (likes people who have worked with the homeless and underserved populations) and DeAnza CC (lottery only - trhey had 180 people for 24 slots). Who knows why you get into one school and not another?

    Stats: GRE: 760/800 Quant, 600/800 Verbal, 5/6 essay
    I spent 10 days studying for it, using a couple of books and CDs from the library, and the GRE CD you get in the mail once you sign up for the course.

    GPA: 3.3 U/G in Chemistry, masters in business admin (some schools give you more points with higher level degrees) What is your pre-req GPA? That will be very important; hopefully it's at least a 3.5 to be competitive. They usually do 2 types of GPA's: your U/G and your pre-req GPA.

    Volunteer: Lots! Children's hospital, Ronald McDonald house, Emergency Dept., Planned Parenthood Any volunteer experience in a health care setting is a plus. Even if you can only shadow someone, do a one time volunteer gig, or work on a project. I would definitely get some experience! It puts you in a better compeitive light for most schools. Then you can talk about your experiences in your essay.

    Your essay is very important because you can draw out the intangibles that are not apparent from stats. Why do you want to get into nursing? What are your goals? Why do you feel you are a great candidate for XYZ school? What types of experiences have guided you in this direction? What sort of adversities have you overcome? (working fulltime, raising a family, taking X # of credits in the eveing, etc.). What do you see yourself doing in the next 2 to 3 years after you graduate? In the next 10? They will want to know... The better you can articulate your ideas on your essay, the better you sound during the subsequent interview.

    The big thing is match the school's philosophy and programs with your background. Some schools emphasize the volunteer/direct health care experience. Others just want to know if you can do the work by focusing on the academic record. You need to look at the school's website and do some research.

    Good luck!

    Smile123

    Thanks Smile123! My husband and I had a long talk this weekend and I decided that at least this year I'm only going to apply to Seattle U and PLU because we really want to be in Seattle long-term as our families are here and my husband doesn't want to move jobs twice in three years (moving to where I'd be in school and then moving back). Seattle U also has a second-degree BSN which is not accelerated so I may apply for that too. Otherwise, if I don't get in I will just volunteer more and take some chemistry so that when I re-apply next year I can apply for UW too. Thanks for all of your input. If any one else has applied to Seattle or PLU I'd love to hear your input. From what I heard at the Info session they only take about 2% of applicants-- so unless I do amazingly on the GRE and find a really cool volunteer opportunity soon (options are limited when you are only available on the weekends) I think my chances this year are kind of slim so we'll just have to see...

    Bree
  3. by   smile123
    Quote from breebunny
    Thanks Smile123! My husband and I had a long talk this weekend and I decided that at least this year I'm only going to apply to Seattle U and PLU because we really want to be in Seattle long-term as our families are here and my husband doesn't want to move jobs twice in three years (moving to where I'd be in school and then moving back). Seattle U also has a second-degree BSN which is not accelerated so I may apply for that too. Otherwise, if I don't get in I will just volunteer more and take some chemistry so that when I re-apply next year I can apply for UW too. Thanks for all of your input. If any one else has applied to Seattle or PLU I'd love to hear your input. From what I heard at the Info session they only take about 2% of applicants-- so unless I do amazingly on the GRE and find a really cool volunteer opportunity soon (options are limited when you are only available on the weekends) I think my chances this year are kind of slim so we'll just have to see...

    Bree
    I'm not sure if you have any kids, but you may also want to think about being apart for the 13 months to get the BSN RN. I know a couple of people at Hopkins who are doing that now (the spouse doesn't want to move again). So think about it. Good luck!

    Smile123
  4. by   breebunny
    Quote from smile123
    I'm not sure if you have any kids, but you may also want to think about being apart for the 13 months to get the BSN RN. I know a couple of people at Hopkins who are doing that now (the spouse doesn't want to move again). So think about it. Good luck!

    Smile123

    Smile123-

    I have considered that very thing-- I do not have children, so it is feasible. I have mixed feelings about it but I haven't ruled it out. My husband and I haven't been apart more than a month in 8 years being together-- it would be really hard, but not out of the question. I will think about it. How do you like the program at Hopkins now that you're a ways into it?
  5. by   Gennaver
    Hello,

    More news again about waiting to start the MEP.

    I called DePaul today to double check if they received my final transcripts to lock in my winter start. It turns out that they have never been evaluated and are 'location unknown' so to say. I was told that they would keep looking and call me tomorrow.

    I remembered that one of my junior colleges was on a quarter system and phoned and spoke with the org chem prof. Basically I can take the class starting July 11th.

    I phoned DePaul and asked if a Fall start was in any way possible, they said it depends on my transcript evaluation. I told the lady that I have the opportunity to take my final pre-req this summer rather than fall but, would do that only if I was good for a fall start, (rather than pushing it to the winter). The lady said that they would keep looking and would call me tomorrow.

    Good grief!!

    The roller coaster. Of course I am very glad that this may work out like this. I would much rather finish six months sooner than push it off but, it really pushes up the tension on the whole thing.

    I guess I had better become one with the anxiety, (since February!)

    Thanks,
    Gen
    p.s. also means that the financial situation hits crunch-time too but, that is bound to happen no matter what when it comes to this, right?
  6. by   elizabells
    oh Gen.

    I roll my eyes in the general direction of DePaul.
  7. by   Gennaver
    Quote from elizabells
    oh Gen.

    I roll my eyes in the general direction of DePaul.
    Thanks Elizabells,

    I guess the roller coaster that I am electing to be on regarding the program and its start will stop when there is a signed acceptance letter in the picture.

    Another student from the IL forum had been going through this same situation even though her application was sent in time for early consideration for the fall. Her t-scripts were also in the wrong location and her acceptance was finally announced only last week. I thought maybe it was a fluke or something but, now this?

    What gets me is that I had two emails confirming that I was good for the winter start, yet, when I called to double check the t-script eval for the final ones that I mailed in they cannot be found, (regardless of the ones that I drove an hour to hand deliver, and an hour back, that I was told to do which was a waste anyhow!)

    So, ugh and sigh and wait and see. Meanwhile debating the cosmos..
    Gen
    p.s. I know you must be so busy studying and everything! Good for you guys, yippie! nap and rest whenever you can
    Last edit by Gennaver on Jun 22, '05
  8. by   rasmin
    soontobenp,
    I'm a new member too- so can't address your specific questions, but had to reply anyways. When I read your post I almost did a double take- it looks exactly like something I would write, except that you have a lot more healthcare experience than I do! Same thing- I got my BA in Environmental Studies and am now working in that field, but want to do a career switch to international healthcare (and domestic community health) and am looking to become a Family Nurse Practioner via a Masters Entry Program...

    I'm applying for Summer 2006 entry at John Hopkins, which offers an accelerated BSN to MSN program- so you end up with both degrees, which may be an asset with non-traditional employers (i.e. not just hospitals, but also clinics, non-profits, federal orgs specifically focused on international care). They also have a good reputation for community health, and I've been talking with some of the profesors about their international outreach programs. Also the schools you already mentioned- UCSF, Columbia, etc.. Yale and UW also have direct MSN's. I've mainly been looking on the West Coast and Northeast for personal reasons, so I'm sure there's alot of great programs in the midwest and elsewhere too- there's a ton of existing forums and threads if you search.

    Like other posters have said, FNP is actually a pretty good 'generalist specialist' degree for what it sounds like you want to do- in the sense that it means you can work with the entire population. Your paid clinic expereince sounds like a very strong asset, I definitely wouldn't worry about the "volunteer" classification. Its healthcare, paid or not.

    Have you already done your prereqs? When are you applying? Sorry for the long post, just wanted to say hi and best of luck. Let me know if you learn more about international-specific stuff!

    Quote from soontobenp
    Hello all,

    My apologies if this has been posted already...I am a new member, and haven't had a chance to sift through all 72 pages of the thread yet. I am interested in applying for Master's Entry programs and becoming a Family Nurse Practitioner. I have a number of questions, and any suggestions or thoughts would be much appreciated.

    ~ I completed my BA in Environmental Studies, but did not have a GPA (we received narrative evaluations) and my undergrad school does not calculate GPAs. Has anyone been in a similar situation?
    ~ I have found only a few Master's entry programs--UCSF, Columbia, UNH, McGill. Are there others?
    ~ I work two full-time jobs, so have little time for volunteering. However, one of my jobs is in a mostly low-income medical clinic. Will my lack of volunteerism adversely affect my applications?
    ~ Does anyone have any experience with international nursing? I would like to go into this (to work with organizations like Doctors Without Borders, or similar) field, and am wondering if Family NP is too general for this type of work.
    ~ Also, I am thinking of applying to McGill, and am wondering if anyone knows of their program, and whether persons receiving their NP in Canada may practice in the US; and, if not, what might the licensure process be like?

    Whew. Thanks for reading all of this! I look forward to any help you may be able to offer. Thanks again.
  9. by   smile123
    Quote from rasmin
    soontobenp,
    I'm a new member too- so can't address your specific questions, but had to reply anyways. When I read your post I almost did a double take- it looks exactly like something I would write, except that you have a lot more healthcare experience than I do! Same thing- I got my BA in Environmental Studies and am now working in that field, but want to do a career switch to international healthcare (and domestic community health) and am looking to become a Family Nurse Practioner via a Masters Entry Program...

    I'm applying for Summer 2006 entry at John Hopkins, which offers an accelerated BSN to MSN program- so you end up with both degrees, which may be an asset with non-traditional employers (i.e. not just hospitals, but also clinics, non-profits, federal orgs specifically focused on international care). They also have a good reputation for community health, and I've been talking with some of the profesors about their international outreach programs. Also the schools you already mentioned- UCSF, Columbia, etc.. Yale and UW also have direct MSN's. I've mainly been looking on the West Coast and Northeast for personal reasons, so I'm sure there's alot of great programs in the midwest and elsewhere too- there's a ton of existing forums and threads if you search.

    Like other posters have said, FNP is actually a pretty good 'generalist specialist' degree for what it sounds like you want to do- in the sense that it means you can work with the entire population. Your paid clinic expereince sounds like a very strong asset, I definitely wouldn't worry about the "volunteer" classification. Its healthcare, paid or not.

    Have you already done your prereqs? When are you applying? Sorry for the long post, just wanted to say hi and best of luck. Let me know if you learn more about international-specific stuff!
    Hi Rasmin,
    Glad you are going to apply to Hopkins! That's the program I'm in. It's a very fast intense program, but I like what I'm learning. Plus, with the BSN you can apply to other schools for the MSN and have the advantage of a BSN/RN degree. And yes, I'm doing the Driect entry to FNP too!

    Smile123
  10. by   Gennaver
    Phewie,

    Today I got emails from DePaul's Admissions Coordinator and their Department Chair.

    I am in for the Fall!! This is conditionally based on my completing org chem this July quarter.

    Phewie! Student orientation is Monday, (I have work though) and matriculation moola has to be given then too, ($350).

    Wow, but, I am in! For Fall!! okay, yippie.
    I don't think I would have been able to keep my head on straight if it wasn't for being able to come here and type all my ponderings!!

    I am grateful for all the advice and communication from everyone here.

    What a roller coaster of decisions I have been, maybe this, maybe that.

    I do plan on completing the MSW, and the MSN but, MSN FIRST and NOW!!! okay, calming self and figuring financing.

    Gen
    p.s. finally, in for fall, yahoo
  11. by   Jess RN
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    YOU GO GIRL!!! YAY GEN!!!!
  12. by   elizabells


    Yayyyyyy Gen! I'm so happy for you!
  13. by   smile123
    Quote from Gennaver
    Phewie,

    Today I got emails from DePaul's Admissions Coordinator and their Department Chair.

    I am in for the Fall!! This is conditionally based on my completing org chem this July quarter.

    I do plan on completing the MSW, and the MSN but, MSN FIRST and NOW!!! okay, calming self and figuring financing.

    Gen
    p.s. finally, in for fall, yahoo
    Yeah Gen!!!
    Congratulations Gen!!! We're all in it together now!!! :hatparty: :hatparty: :hatparty: :hatparty: :hatparty:

    Smile123

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