Entry level nursing doctorate

[guest27716]

I am looking for entry level doctorate nursing programs for people who have a BS degree in a non nursing field. Where can I find this info?

Thanks.

[elizabells, BSN, RN]

If you only want to do research, Columbia will let you go straight to DNSc after the accelerated BSN year, if you have a degree in something else. For the DrNP you have to get the master's.

[Selke]

I do not have any physical statistics in front of me, but just think about it for a moment. It would be like going to see a Doctor that has never done an internship. The NP actual title is "Advanced Nurse RN"----- how can you be an APRN without having worked as an RN before. Your skills build on this.

All I know, and after too many years oaf work experience to count, most that I see that were direct entry are back at the bedside doing bedside nursing. It also depends on where you are located, some areas there are not any jobs that pay more or much more than a bedside RN. Make sure that you do your homework on your area. And know the job market before you get started.

And from the other side of the coin, you have two job openings for NPs. You have five that apply. Four each have over five years of work as an RN before they went to NP school, and one has none, who are you going to select? Nursing skills develop over time, they are not learned overnight.

Assessment skills get better with time, your intuition and sixth sense develops better over time, and it takes time.

I'm in a DE program but am a very experienced RN. I have a couple of per diem jobs in the local community. The word of mouth among RNs here is that some of the DE graduates in midwifery are OK, but many have a reputation for being condescending and arrogant to the RNs, and they are unsafe, don't know what the hell they're doing, and they get fired. This is anecdotal. I would love to see actual statistics on this. Other DE MW graduates don't work as midwives and so have LESS experience than I, as a mere peon RN, as far as I'm concerned ...

One of my classmates just told me: the instructors are telling us we (the DE students) depend on the RNs to teach us what to do, and our job now is to make their job easier. (These students are in clinical, which I am not, which is my other big issue -- I'm punished and disrespected for being a nurse here.) This student also said, they were told that they will have to continue to learn from the RNs after their graudation.

I will not even comment on this. No comment is needed. My feelings are white hot right now ....

And the faculty here have the nerve to tell me "there's no difference between you RNs and GEPNs after a few months of school?"

There is an article in our Professional Issues packet on DE vs RN students in a midwifery school, and this article was at great pains to point out that they kicked out two RN students, did not kick out any DE students, and that they gave their student clinical award to a DE student. I think they had an axe to grind and had to prove that their "bright" DE students are better and smarter than their dumb old RN students ...

I would love to see stats on what graduates of various programs are actually doing and their job history, say, up to 5 years after graduation.

This issue isn't going to go away, like with many other issues regarding entry into practice. But I'll say, graduate nursing faculty need to stop dismissing RNs and our experience. In OB, there is much overlap of critical thinking skills, management, and other skills among the OBs, CNMs, and RNs. I know a huge chunk of IP already, and I'm self studying while on the job to fill in my gaps, practising with videos, &c, skills and what to do with my hands, and so on, those parts of delivery I'm not permitted to do as an RN. I'm taking the EFM certification exam, and I have other credentials already the GEPNs don't. And my nursing experience doesn't count?

[SarasotaRN2b]

OP, have you looked into Pharmacology? I personally had thought about being a pharmacist way back because of my interest in pharmacology, but I felt that unless you have a small pharmacy, most of your work is filling prescriptions and not being able to give patients (especially the growing segment of the older population) the instruction they need. I feel that for me, nursing, would give me the more 1:1 with the patient to help them understand why they are taking certain medications. I think that medication noncompliance is more because of confusion about their meds and not taking them correctly may cause worsening side effects.

llg has always given excellent advice. I would heed her.

[beau12]

look up DOctor of nursing practice and you will find many programs for people with a non nsg degree