2013 UCSF MSN / AGNP Application - page 2

Starting this thread for UCSF's MSN program for 2013. The application period just opened up on July 19th. I'm applying for AGNP program. I was accepted to the 2012 Long Beach State AGNP program... Read More

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    Just went to the info session and it clarified a lot. The fact is MEPN is only 50K for the 1st year and transitions to the traditional MS program. MEPN gets priority for the specialty slots when it transitions to the MS program. The MS specialty slots have become more impacted because the 1 year program graduates aren't finding work, and are not taking breaks in the program, as they would historically do. Regular MS students are not competing, with MEPN. There is no competition. MEPN gets the slot regardless. How fair is that?

    How does MEPN, really know what they want to do unless they already started nursing, or at least the program. Regardless of how much shadowing or research you do, it doesn't equate to real experience. Is it fair that MEPN gets the slot? Or even makes sense? These are 1 year trained nurses who are going to advanced practice? How does that prepare you adequately to be leaders in Nursing. Again the gentleman who had 5 years of critical care experience in a teaching hospital is much, much, much more qualified than any of the MEPN's to become an Advanced Practice Nurse, Plus he had a 4.0 gpa, ***.

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    Quote from sf34
    . The 12% has been floating around for years but they actually don't know that is true. It is a ball park and actually really doesn't matter.
    Uh, we had over 500 applicants our year and a class of 62. So it certainly is true, but it doesn't really matter, I agree, since you guys are applying for different spots. However, we do have ACNP in MEPN, however, the ACNP students are required to "step out" and work for a year before continuing on with the MSN. Hope that helps.

    eta: Also, if one is planning on attending UCSF for nursing and they have serious issues with MEPN or direct entry students, they might have some problems going to school here. There are a lot of us MEPNs from over the years and the program is 20+ years old. There are loads of us working as NPs in the city with no issues whatsoever. If it bothers people, they might consider a program that doesn't have a flagship direct entry program like UCSF does. It's kind of like going to Italy and then complaining about the Italian food... MEPN is a reality of UCSF. And yeah, our spots are guaranteed, because we already went through the grueling process of earning and securing them. And there are "real" experiences outside of nursing that are relevant to NP practice, even if others might not believe it to be so. I'm just saying, being openly hostile to direct entry students isn't really a winning strategy here, since many of the nurses (and faculty/preceptors) at UCSF are former MEPNs and students will have to work with them...
    Last edit by myelin on Oct 13, '12
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    I've worked with direct entry nurses and it's been a mixed bag. One I know is an NP now, and I wouldn't let her any where close of caring for my family. Nursing is hard, and complex profession. It just shocking to see someone with that much experience and qualifications get in vs someone who has 0 nursing experience. Do a survey of practicing nurses and you would get the same reaction. Do a survey of nursing students and you would get a different reaction. It's about perspective. You might understand when your practicing.

    I want to go to UCSF because I believe it would give me the best training to become an NP. And congrats on successfully getting into the program. It's a HUGE accomplishment . But at the same time, don't belittle the accomplishments of practicing nurses. I understand it's a culture of UCSF to have the program, but going by sheer history doesn't give your argument concrete merit. Just saying that's how its been done all along, doesn't mean in needs to always been done that way. I do have a little hostility to the program, because it doesn't make complete sense to me. I believe MS students should be able to compete for those slots with MEPN direct students in a case by case bases.
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    It doesn't make sense that the normal entry MSN students would compete with MEPN students for slots, the MEPN student has already been admitted. They've already competed. I don't get it.

    Also, just an fyi, exactly one study has been done comparing RN experience with NP practice and it found that RN experience did not make for a more competent NP, as measured by physicians. So there's that.

    Also, I never once belittled practicing nurses' accomplishments. I think you're reading more into my words than what is there. I think bedside RNs work incredibly hard and I'm very thankful for my nurse preceptors and clinical instructors, trust me. However, at the same time, I think there are other ways to get experience that is relevant to NP practice. I guess you think that by me saying "hey, direct entry programs can produce great NPs" you think I'm belittling RN experience, when really, what I'm saying is that there is more than one way to skin a cat. You might be really surprised by the extensive backgrounds of those of us in the MEPN program. We didn't exactly waltz in off of the street - the application process is rigorous, to say the least. I suggest getting to know the program a bit better before making judgements. And yeah, if you get into UCSF, you will be around MEPNs. They will be your classmates, preceptors, and even faculty (depending on specialty). You might be surprised by how well they do and how well all of us nursing students (MEPN and non-MEPN) work together.

    Good luck with the application process!
    Last edit by myelin on Oct 14, '12
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    Why are you pitting me against the whole program? I think I have some valid points. I say it's a little belittling, because I keep thinking about the guy who had all those qualifications and didn't get in, and you just brush that off as "oh it's competitive". You know what, it is what it is. We have differing opinions. I do see the validity of your argument. Good luck with the program
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    hello, i'm considering applying for agnp too. does anyone know if this specialty is esp competitive to get into? what kinds of things do they look at that can put me in a better position? i know most who apply for the msn program are experienced and seasoned nurses already so i feel like my chances aren't high. i have a bsn but very little nursing experience, i worked at a long term care facility for a year and am now doing home health nursing. i am interested in furthering my studies and prefer working with the elderly population. i would appreciate any kind of information, looking forward to your inputs.
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    Just FYI for other UCSF MSN Fall 2013 hopefuls, I emailed the School of Nursing asking when they expect decisions to be made and they replied back today saying to expect decisions to be made around the end of the month. Two more weeks! Good luck everyone!
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    Does anyone know what documents we have to have when applying? Do we need a cover letter, references, etc?

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