Nurses fired for refusing flu vaccine - page 4

by BrandybunsRN

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While I personally do not like the flu shot either.... I have been required to get a Hep B vaccine, MMR all current, etc etc .... so not sure how this is so different?... Read More


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    as a new graduate nurse, who has spent the last seven months trying to find work, i find it hard to feel sorry for these people. All I have ever heard from more experienced nurses is that, because I'm young and inexperienced, I need to just put up and shut up. and give in to any and all demands made by potential employers. that i should be willing to take low-paying jobs, even if they didn't pay enough to cover my student loans. that if necessary, i should be forced to move to tiny rural towns. even places where the culture is racist, homophobic and socially dead. that i should go into further debt by breaking my apartment lease, buying a car, and starting my life over. that i should delay getting married and having children, if the job didn't allow it. that I should work nights/weekends/holidays/overtime without blinking an eye. and these nurses can't be bothered to spare 5 minutes for a shot? experienced nurses, maybe you should start taking your own advice. "put up and shut up." because when your hospital cans you, I'll be there to take your job. and I will comply with all of its completely REASONABLE standards without whining about my arbitrary personal freedoms. maybe I've offended some of you, but I'm too busy collecting unemployment to care.
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    I was just about to post this story, but I see someone beat me to it!

    Anyway, I'm getting tired of this "take this medicine or get ready to get out of here" mentality. Since when has this become such a big issue? Might as well make sure everyone has a flu shot everywhere if it's that big of a deal.
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    I have no problem taking the flu vaccine. Of course, I want what is best for patients I come into contact with. I am concerned about the bigger picture: how much can the hospitals force on us in the name of patient safety?
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    Mulan--I will be glad to share why I think hospitals all of a sudden went to the mandatory influenza vaccinations.
    MONEY!
    Read this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...HQHdZg-m7aU2Gg

    What it is basically is saying that hospitals have to report to CMS their percentage of hcw influenza vaccinations. That started in 2012. this year.

    If they do not meet the percentage of vaccinations that CMS wants then they can be penalized by a reduction in amount that Medicare reimburses the hospital. Up to 2%. Two percent at the local community hospital equals to approx 30-40 million dollars per year.

    If people want to believe that hospitals suddenly developed an interest in protecting their patients from influenza. Think again.

    This kind of reminds me how some Nurses thought that hospitals made themselves a no smoking facility in the interest of the patient's health. REALLY???
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    Quote from GrnTea
    It's not...but we can now count on a thousand-post thread on vaccinations. Let the thrashing begin ... I'll go first. Read it and weep.

    10/20/12 Shannon Brownlee and Jeanne Lenzer ‑ Does the Vaccine Matter? ‑ www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2009/11/does‑the‑vaccine‑matter/307723/
    GrnTea I read over the article. Some good points were made. It seems the author relies on the statements by one researcher who believes that vaccine studies were for the most part, flawed. Doing proper controlled studies involve using humans as 'guinea pigs' bring up some interesting ethical considerations. I, for one have no problem doing that type of research as the risks to the control group are relatively minor. Until the day comes when that kind of research is conducted, we will continue with the over worn arguments.
    Argument about protecting the patients we care for aside for the moment, my take on the issue is that no one truly knows if the vaccine protects most people from flu. If the day comes that the promised pandemic arrives, I would rather be the one who had the vaccine than the one in the 'control group' who did not and took his chances. A small shot is better than none at all.
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    Quote from olddragger
    Mulan--I will be glad to share why I think hospitals all of a sudden went to the mandatory influenza vaccinations.
    MONEY!
    Read this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...HQHdZg-m7aU2Gg

    What it is basically is saying that hospitals have to report to CMS their percentage of hcw influenza vaccinations. That started in 2012. this year.

    If they do not meet the percentage of vaccinations that CMS wants then they can be penalized by a reduction in amount that Medicare reimburses the hospital. Up to 2%. Two percent at the local community hospital equals to approx 30-40 million dollars per year.

    If people want to believe that hospitals suddenly developed an interest in protecting their patients from influenza. Think again.

    This kind of reminds me how some Nurses thought that hospitals made themselves a no smoking facility in the interest of the patient's health. REALLY???
    If I could like this more than once, I would.
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    Thanks for the link provided of ingredients in Afluria and others like it.

    Well, I see that some of the single doses have no thimerosal or aluminium in them. That's good.

    However it is still indicated that some of the ingredients in Afluria have neurotoxic capabilities. Is the quantity of the ingredient too little to matter? Really? Is it, I have doubts these days about the benefits of vaccines.

    Always with these vaccines these days it seems with a little research I find out something negative about it, and more negative and more negative news about it that would prevent me recommending them for the benefit of the health of the patient.

    I believe that vaccines are linked to autism for a number of reasons, mostly related to ingredients like thimerosal and aluminium. Seeing that Afluria has none of these ingredients challenges my view - I like to be challenged - although I feel with more research I'll find that something like Afluria is just as destructive to a childs neurological capabilities as a vaccine containing thimerosal / aluminium.

    The trust is gone, do you know what I am saying?
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    The flu shot protects you and those with fragile immune systems. Receiving the flu shot is more for the protection of your patients. We are not forced to get the shot, but if there is an outbreak, we cannot attend work. That's fair, IMO. Policies are in place for a reason.
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    I'm 52 years old and have never had the flu. In fact, other than two pregnancies and an ankle injury, I haven't had to go to a doctor in over forty years. I have no philosophical objection to a flu vaccine but I am not convinced of its effectiveness. My other problem with it is that I got my first - and only - flu shot two years ago. Felt fine and had no side effects other than a sore spot on my upper arm from the shot itsef. Well, after two years, that sore spot is still there. I don't understand why since I've had plenty of other shots and never had that reaction but I did with the flu shot.
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    Three reasons I think the flu shot is an exercise in futility.

    1. The Flu, unlike most of the other conditions which have a vaccine to prevent it, is a MUTATING virus. It changes as it goes. Hence the reason why there are several strains floating around at any one time. There is not a flu virus. There are flu viruses floating around. The best those who make the vaccine can do is guess which one will be most widespread and most virulent. In case of a pandemic, which is what the CDC and WHO and other agencies fear, it will be caused by an entirely new strain which none of us will be protected against. Hence why it will be severe. No one will have immunity. They're playing an odds game here people. And no one but the dealer ever wins in gambling.

    2. Any vaccine, regardless, attacks your immune system. No vaccine that I know of at present will give you the disease/virus that it protects against. However, it will lower your immune system allowing other pathogens an opportunity to make you ill. I work in a hospital people and I have children. I am very very rarely sick as are most of my fellow co-workers. I have been exposed to EVERYTHING but Ebola and my immune system rocks. Why would I deliberately lower my immune system, get myself sick and then pass it on to my family AND my patients? And this for a vaccine that might not even be effective for the flu virus passing around in my area?

    3. The MMR and polio vaccines are universal or they try to be. One HAS to get it enter any type of school today. It protects us against incredibly dangerous diseases. The flu vaccine is NOT universal and never has been. By its very nature, it cannot be since the vaccine only protects against one strain. One argument for getting the vaccine is to protect the patient against the nurse carrying it. Fine. But since when has a patient existed in a bubble? Aside from the exposure from other sick people in halls, common areas, procedural areas, there is the exposure from the techs, secretaries, case managers, doctors (who see half the community in their practice) family and friends. All of which can enter and leave the room at will, most without any protection to the patient and then proceed to touch, feed, hug, hold hands, bathe and crawl into bed with the patient (I speak of kids here people...sheesh.). Good luck at trying to convince a three year old not to crawl into bed with Mommy. And preventing touch can be just as dangerous as a flu vaccine. When people are sick they NEED touch...not to have people wrap themselves in protection and cower in the doorway and scream their questions. We don't require that family members show proof of immunity. Why are we so insistent that a nurse in the best of health and with a very good immune system would be the culprit in spreading the virus? And has anyone heard of a DOCTOR being fired for refusing a vaccine? I might get my hands on 5-10 patients a night from direct contact. How many patients in the practice and in the hospital has he/she come in contact with?

    Well that is my two cents. I have refused to take the vaccine this year. I have already had three brushes where I know I have come in contact with the flu virus taking care of family members or patients. I am still not sick and no, no one caught it from me. That said I have to feed my family and would not have gone as far as the nurses who stuck to their guns and allowed themselves to be fired. But I at least want to salute them for their courage at standing up for their rights and convictions. I doubt I would be able to do the same in such a situation.
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