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| No. 20 | 
Dec 03, 2006, 07:48 PM
 Re: Circulators
Like I said earlier nothing is worng with RN;s in the OR. They are needed!
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Dec 03, 2006, 07:59 PM
Re: Circulators Originally Posted by CSTCFA  So then you know someone who is on the job trained is not a CST. If the hospital where you are working at you must have a big shortage of RN's and CST's
Mmmmm, no, all of ours are CSTs now, certified STs. No shortage of RNs or CSTs where i work.
| | No. 22 |
Dec 03, 2006, 08:00 PM
Re: Circulators Originally Posted by CSTCFA Like I said earlier nothing is worng with RN;s in the OR. They are needed!
Your earlier posts did not convey such a message.
| | No. 23 |
Dec 03, 2006, 08:05 PM
Re: Circulators
here it is
Originally Posted by CSTCFA Nurses are needed in the OR just not in large numbers. | | No. 24 |
Dec 03, 2006, 08:07 PM
Re: Circulators
OK if they are CST's they had have to go through an accredited school. ST's and ORT's ARE DIFFERENT
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Dec 03, 2006, 08:16 PM
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Dec 03, 2006 at 08:23 PM by Marie_LPN, RN
Re: Circulators Originally Posted by CSTCFA OK if they are CST's they had have to go through an accredited school. ST's and ORT's ARE DIFFERENT
They did go through an accredited school, which also happens to be through the hospital i work at. The OTJ training and the clinical portions are TWO separate things where i work. 
I know that ORTs ARE DIFFERENT from CSTs.
ETA: This is my last post regarding this. It is 'round in circle, and nothing to do with the OT.
| | No. 26 |
Dec 03, 2006, 08:19 PM
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Dec 03, 2006 at 08:32 PM by CSTCFA
Re: Circulators
Then its not OJT it is part of there clinicals or are you talking about the 3 month orientation. You must be part of a University hospital school where there are a lot of students.
| | No. 27 |
Dec 03, 2006, 09:23 PM
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Dec 04, 2006 at 03:07 AM by ewattsjt
Re: Circulators I am a CST returning to school for ASN Wow! The hostility toward techs. The claim of being uneducated. Well, I have enrolled into a pre-nursing program and all my prerequisites are met from my Associate of Science in Surgical Technology. I only need the core NUR classes. To think how much less I would have needed if I had been educated better. I had to do a year in clinical surgery rotation. Is it any wonder we become so bitter with such disrespect? The RN is the patient advocate? That statement should have been, "The RN is one of the patient advocates. I was taught it was a team effort until I was around nurses and found what a grand stand job they did by themselves. Sorry about the vent but I get tired of hearing the same, "We are better than you and you must fall under us" stuff. It is about the patient. It is the surgical "team" that treats the patient.
As for Surgical Assisting, there are several programs that one can attend of which the least time in class is 9mths. Some require one being a CST first (which I think all should). The people here really should start checking out fact before knocking down another in the healthcare profession.
I do my job for the patient just as much as the RN. When I become an RN, I pray I show more respect to my peers than what I see being shown to me currently.
It is a team effort to give the patient the best quality and service one could expect.
| | No. 28 |
Dec 04, 2006, 04:18 PM
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Dec 04, 2006 at 04:29 PM by ortess1971
Re: Circulators Originally Posted by ewattsjt I am a CST returning to school for ASN
Wow! The hostility toward techs. The claim of being uneducated. Well, I have enrolled into a pre-nursing program and all my prerequisites are met from my Associate of Science in Surgical Technology. I only need the core NUR classes. To think how much less I would have needed if I had been educated better. I had to do a year in clinical surgery rotation.
Is it any wonder we become so bitter with such disrespect?
The RN is the patient advocate? That statement should have been, "The RN is one of the patient advocates. I was taught it was a team effort until I was around nurses and found what a grand stand job they did by themselves.
Sorry about the vent but I get tired of hearing the same, "We are better than you and you must fall under us" stuff. It is about the patient. It is the surgical "team" that treats the patient.
As for Surgical Assisting, there are several programs that one can attend of which the least time in class is 9mths. Some require one being a CST first (which I think all should). The people here really should start checking out fact before knocking down another in the healthcare profession.
I do my job for the patient just as much as the RN. When I become an RN, I pray I show more respect to my peers than what I see being shown to me currently.
It is a team effort to give the patient the best quality and service one could expect.
Ok, I lied. I'm not quite done...The hostility that was present on this thread was aimed towards RN's. Most people here feel that techs have a place in the OR and I personally did not say they were uneducated, just that they receive a different education than RN's, one that is procedure focused, rather than focused on the patient as a whole. And in many OR's in the country, there are techs who have been "grandfathered" in-they had no formal schooling and learned on the job. I also find it amusing that my post was seen as "immature" by a certain person, when all I did was point out that their posts had a disrespectful tone. Ironic that this person didn't start bringing up the teamwork concept until I mentioned it. Like Marie said, respect goes both ways and patients aren't going to be helped by someone whose ego is their first concern. I didn't see any of us here stating that we think we are "better" than techs. But the fact remains that for now at least, we have separate roles. I work with some techs who run around all day whining about respect while giving no basic human courtesy to others. I only ask a small favor. If you are going to respond to something I have written, at least read it thouroghly and don't put words in my mouth.
| | No. 29 |
Dec 04, 2006, 04:29 PM
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Dec 04, 2006 at 04:31 PM by ortess1971
Re: Circulators Originally Posted by CSTCFA I am sorry if i sounded snippy it was not my intention. I dont see why any one would get upset with what i said. Unless it was true. With 4 states already having CFA's to get Licensure or Registration and more to come, I hate to tell you it is not the end of story. As AST is pushing foward with higher education for CST's and CFA's, I see this discussion is just starting. Which by the way no CST within the past 10+ years has been On The Job Trained. With the nursing shortage rising, health care costs also rising, and most states with no laws saying that a RN and ONLY RN Must Circulate. I see why AORN is up in arms about this. Like you said MOST of the post were respectfull. What fuels and starts OR wars is comments, discussion boards, and articles like these. Keep the politics out of the work place. Troll feeding get a life. This is the reason why nurses are fighting to get respect in the OR. People like you who can not have a disscussion with out name calling or being immature. Nothing i said was worng.
Beg to differ on that...My hospital has two techs that were trained on the job(one was 3 years ago, the other was 5). Did you actually reread what you posted and the tone of the posts? Maybe you don't mean to be snippy but I'm not alone in feeling that that is how they come across-usually when someone has very few posts, and then chooses to make their first posts negative and confrontational in nature, that person in engaging in troll-like behavior. If you look at my first post in response to you, it was very calm and rational. You chose to respond in a confrontational manner. You then proceeded to back off some of your statements when it appeared that you were getting called on some of your comments. Again, I'm not the only person to notice this. Ok, now I really am done. Marie's right. This thread is becoming tiresome, because you can't have a rational discussion with someone who has a huge chip on their shoulder.
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