Circulators - page 2

i started out looking for first assistant info and ran across this info, the part i questioned i put in bold. i always thought circulators had to be rn's or does the rn requirement only come into... Read More

  1. by   ortess1971
    Quote from CSTCFA
    So what you are saying is only a nurse can check lab values, consents, orders ect. This is a way for nurses to justify there numbers in the OR. I dont want to slam nurses either but come on. Im not saying nurses shouldnt be in the OR. What would a tech do for a conscience sedation case, or a code? Nurses are needed in the OR just not in large numbers. By the way if the Tech school you went to didnt teach basic ekg or labs then shame on that school and the student.
    Yes, at least in my state, that is what I'm saying. The problem with tech training is that it is not consistent. There are still many techs that received OTJ training and wouldn't know a lab value if it walked up and bit them on the fanny. Techs are certified at the most, and that is not mandatory. Why the snippy attitude towards RN's by the way? Most posts on this thread have been more than respectful towards techs. Techs are needed in the OR, but they do not have the proper training to assess patients. End of story. I'm not going to bother arguing with you further-it's kind of a moot point for me to wonder if techs can circulate because it's not going to happen.(at least where I am). I wish you the best of luck though. Just remember, in order to get respect, you have to give it. Trying to pick fights among members of what is supposed to be a team is childish and self centered.Remember, patients are the focus, not your ego. Hate to point the troll finger but you have all of 2 posts on this board, and both have been antagonistic in tone. Done here, because I don't like to engage in troll feeding.
    Last edit by ortess1971 on Dec 3, '06
  2. by   CSTCFA
    I am sorry if i sounded snippy it was not my intention. I dont see why any one would get upset with what i said. Unless it was true. With 4 states already having CFA's to get Licensure or Registration and more to come, I hate to tell you it is not the end of story. As AST is pushing foward with higher education for CST's and CFA's, I see this discussion is just starting. Which by the way no CST within the past 10+ years has been On The Job Trained. With the nursing shortage rising, health care costs also rising, and most states with no laws saying that a RN and ONLY RN Must Circulate. I see why AORN is up in arms about this. Like you said MOST of the post were respectfull. What fuels and starts OR wars is comments, discussion boards, and articles like these. Keep the politics out of the work place. Troll feeding get a life. This is the reason why nurses are fighting to get respect in the OR. People like you who can not have a disscussion with out name calling or being immature. Nothing i said was worng.
    Last edit by CSTCFA on Dec 3, '06
  3. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from CSTCFA
    I am sorry if i sounded snippy it was not my intention. I dont see why any one would get upset with what i said. Unless it was true. With 4 states already having CFA's to get Licensure or Registration and more to come, I hate to tell you it is not the end of story. As AST is pushing foward with higher education for CST's and CFA's, I see this discussion is just starting. Which by the way no CST within the past 10+ years has been On The Job Trained. With the nursing shortage rising, health care costs also rising, and most states with no laws saying that a RN and ONLY RN Must Circulate. I see why AORN is up in arms about this. Like you said MOST of the post were respectfull. What fuels and starts OR wars is comments, discussion boards, and articles like these. Keep the politics out of the work place. Troll feeding get a life. This is the reason why nurses are fighting to get respect in the OR. People like you who can not have a disscussion with out name calling or being immature. Nothing i said was worng.

    At least one wrong thing...

    The hospital i work at does OTJ training for CSTs (certified, not just techs).

    Respect is still a two-way street.
  4. by   CSTCFA
    OJT or is it part of there Clinicals in school. If it is OJT then they are not CST's. Remember CST's are trained just for the OR. They have 6 months to a year of Clinicals in the OR learning from other CST's and RN's ect.
    Last edit by CSTCFA on Dec 3, '06
  5. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from CSTCFA
    OJT or is it part of there Clinicals in school. If it is OJT then they are not CST's. Remember CST's are trained just for the OR. They have 6 months to a year of Clinicals in the OR learning from other CST's and RN's ect.
    The school is through the hospital, the OTJ training is not a part of their clinicals where i work.

    I'm well aware that CSTs are trained just for OR. The first clue of that came from what the abbreviation CST stands for.
  6. by   suzy253
    Quote from ortess1971
    Why the snippy attitude towards RN's by the way?
    :yeahthat: I'm just not getting it. What's the problem with RN's in the OR????
  7. by   CSTCFA
    Well then we know, someone who is OJT is not A CST!
    Last edit by CSTCFA on Dec 3, '06
  8. by   CSTCFA
    Like I said earlier nothing is worng with RN;s in the OR. They are needed!
  9. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from CSTCFA
    So then you know someone who is on the job trained is not a CST. If the hospital where you are working at you must have a big shortage of RN's and CST's

    Mmmmm, no, all of ours are CSTs now, certified STs. No shortage of RNs or CSTs where i work.
  10. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from CSTCFA
    Like I said earlier nothing is worng with RN;s in the OR. They are needed!
    Your earlier posts did not convey such a message.
  11. by   CSTCFA
    here it is
    Quote from CSTCFA
    Nurses are needed in the OR just not in large numbers.
  12. by   CSTCFA
    OK if they are CST's they had have to go through an accredited school. ST's and ORT's ARE DIFFERENT
  13. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from CSTCFA
    OK if they are CST's they had have to go through an accredited school. ST's and ORT's ARE DIFFERENT
    They did go through an accredited school, which also happens to be through the hospital i work at. The OTJ training and the clinical portions are TWO separate things where i work.

    I know that ORTs ARE DIFFERENT from CSTs.


    ETA: This is my last post regarding this. It is 'round in circle, and nothing to do with the OT.
    Last edit by Marie_LPN, RN on Dec 3, '06

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