The Circumcision Discussion - page 64

I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My... Read More

  1. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from suanna
    Admittedly there was only one boy not circ'd in my gym class in high school and the other kids made his life a living hell but it still dosen't change the fact that I wish medical society/society in general would not have pressured my parents and EVERYONE elses parents to get thier little boys' members trimmed.

    Even so, I have to say that my boys are still adamant that they do not want their foreskins back and don't think it is a big deal and wish their mom would stop asking them questions about this. . . .


    steph
  2. by   softstorms
    LOL. the use of condoms with or with out forskin........STD's, with or without forskin......This may sound harsh......but if you cut it off or leave it on.......AIDS and STDS still live. It is more about what you do with it, than what you have. That is the bottom line.
  3. by   mshultz
    Quote from suanna
    Admittedly there was only one boy not circ'd in my gym class in high school and the other kids made his life a living hell but it still dosen't change the fact that I wish medical society/society in general would not have pressured my parents and EVERYONE elses parents to get thier little boys' members trimmed.
    Did you grow up in Northeast Ohio? Those of us who were uncircumcised were in the minority, but I was certainly not the only one. I was picked on a bit because I was unathletic, but not because I was uncircumcised. Back in my day, anyone paying that kind of attention to another boy's genitals would have had their sexual orientation questioned. Remember that prior to 1973, homosexuality was considered a disorder by the American Psychiatric Association.
  4. by   ladyinred667
    Quote from mshultz
    Back in my day, anyone paying that kind of attention to another boy's genitals would have had their sexual orientation questioned. Remember that prior to 1973, homosexuality was considered a disorder by the American Psychiatric Association.
    I'm sure it's much the same now. Every guy I've asked about it has said that looking at another dude's 'junk' is grounds for a butt kicking!
  5. by   suanna
    Quote from Spidey's mom
    Even so, I have to say that my boys are still adamant that they do not want their foreskins back and don't think it is a big deal and wish their mom would stop asking them questions about this. . . .


    steph
    NO doubt!- I don't think I would have wanted my mother chatting with me endlessly about my foreskin (or lack there of) either!
  6. by   suanna
    Quote from mshultz
    Did you grow up in Northeast Ohio? Those of us who were uncircumcised were in the minority, but I was certainly not the only one. I was picked on a bit because I was unathletic, but not because I was uncircumcised. Back in my day, anyone paying that kind of attention to another boy's genitals would have had their sexual orientation questioned. Remember that prior to 1973, homosexuality was considered a disorder by the American Psychiatric Association.
    Hard core southern Florida bible belt. The assumption was that he wasn't "quite a normal guy" with that odd looking penis, and by default, somehow that ended up provoking questions about his sexual orientation. It would have been good to have such things covered in "health class" but it wasn't like the coach was going to ask him to whip it out in front of the rest of the guys to provide for instruction. I and my peers didn't even know that we were circ'd- the subject just wasn't talked about, and all our parts looked the same. Keep in mind this was the earily 70's and NO ONE was uncirc'd. It wasn't that we were compairing equipment as a hobby but in Florida you had to shower after gym class and the difference was glaring. Kids can be very cruel when someone looks different and homophobia was more rampant in that time than it ever was for my kids.
  7. by   CEG
    [quote=mshultz;2976854] Back in my day, anyone paying that kind of attention to another boy's genitals would have had their sexual orientation questioned. /quote]

    I always wondered about this too. My husband and I had the discussion about how he would get made fun of in the locker room if we did not have our son circ'd. I found it unbelievable that the teen/pre-teen boy crowd would admit that they had been scrutinizing that closely someone else's penis. He is only two so we don't know yet, but I figure if he is going to get made fun of for not being circ'd that will save him from being made fun of for something else. Kids are kids and will tease for something.
  8. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from CEG

    I always wondered about this too. My husband and I had the discussion about how he would get made fun of in the locker room if we did not have our son circ'd. I found it unbelievable that the teen/pre-teen boy crowd would admit that they had been scrutinizing that closely someone else's penis. He is only two so we don't know yet, but I figure if he is going to get made fun of for not being circ'd that will save him from being made fun of for something else. Kids are kids and will tease for something.

    I also told THIS story before . . .but boys look at each other's "junk" from a young age out of curiosity . . .

    My son and his friend, both age 5, were at the fairgrounds with us and both had to pee so my husband took them in to the bathroom and as they were peeing they both looked and my son's friend said "your penis is bigger than mine". :chuckle

    One of my adult sons, when he was about 4, and my husband were out getting firewood and they both had to pee so over by a tree they went and my son looked over at Dad and said "Boy Dad, you're a really good pee'er".

    At dinner at friends, their 4 year old had to pee so Dad got up and took him to the bathroom. 4 year old returned first and sat down and said "Did you know my Dad has a really BIG penis?".

    During potty training - paying attention to the penis is a big deal. Peeing off the porch is fun too. Peeing in left field during t-ball has been known to happen.

    Kids look - it is normal.


    steph
  9. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from suanna
    NO doubt!- I don't think I would have wanted my mother chatting with me endlessly about my foreskin (or lack there of) either!
    Ah, my poor boys . . I'm the kind of mom who talked to them about wet dreams and masturbation and STD's (complete with poster-sized photos from the Health Dept.) and pregnancy prevention and treating women with respect, etc.

    My husband on the other hand cannot say "penis" . . it is "tallywacker".

    steph
  10. by   AirforceRN
    Quote from Spidey's mom
    In either this circ thread or one of the many ones here I mentioned that I asked my two adult sons what they thought of circumcision and would they rather I had been able to persuade their dad into NOT doing it and both were appalled!! They both said they would be very unhappy with me if they were not circ'd.

    I think it has to do with where you grow up - there was only one boy not circ'd here and he got teased.

    If it was the reverse, they would probably change their mind. Or not.

    But my adult sons are glad they were circ'd. The don't want their foreskins back.

    I'll have to wait on the 6 year old - he has no idea yet.


    steph
    Its easy for an adult male to say they are happy with what happened. Ignorance is bliss right? I've heard interviews with people blind from birth who say that if they could go back and make a choice, they would prefer to remain the way they are. Ask someone who lost their sight at 21 and the answer may be totally different.
  11. by   KYCNM
    I am a nurse educator, midwife and women's health practitioner. I have followed this discussion with interest. I present circumcision to the students in the mother baby course as a personal choice issue. Then, in clinical, I make sure all the students observe a procedure. As a result, more and more young women who are my students are saying that their son will never be circumcised unless there is a medical reason.

    When I practiced as a midwife, I talked to mothers about circumcision from the evidence base that there was no medical reason for the procedure, however, many mothers siad they would have the circ because they didn't want to have to explain to their sons why their penis looked different than daddy's.
  12. by   Aislstarfish
    Quote from KYCNM
    I am a nurse educator, midwife and women's health practitioner. I have followed this discussion with interest. I present circumcision to the students in the mother baby course as a personal choice issue. Then, in clinical, I make sure all the students observe a procedure. As a result, more and more young women who are my students are saying that their son will never be circumcised unless there is a medical reason.

    When I practiced as a midwife, I talked to mothers about circumcision from the evidence base that there was no medical reason for the procedure, however, many mothers siad they would have the circ because they didn't want to have to explain to their sons why their penis looked different than daddy's.
    You sound like a great teacher I find the "my penis doesn't look like daddy's" reasoning for circumcision so frustrating. I personally don't think it's that difficult to explain, but I know that this is a big reason why many parents choose to circ their sons. My boyfriend isn't circumcised, but his father is and they have both said that it was never an issue
  13. by   LuckyDad105
    Quote from Elvish
    Probably the most interesting reason a parent gave me for having their baby circed was that "Jesus was circumcised."


    Now, before anybody gets upset, I have no problem with people wanting to follow Jesus.
    But if you believe the Bible, then a lot of other things happened to Jesus that you might not want to have happen to your child. Please find a better reason to circ him!!
    Galatians 5:1-4 (NIV)

    It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

    Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

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