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Had a patient who called 911 for her water breaking at full term. I mentioned it to another nurse who was like "and why are you surprised by that?" i didn't know people actually did that.... Read More

  1. by   OB_or_NICU_hopeful
    smilingblueyes ~ Thank you I wanted to say something to the effect of what you did, but knew that I wouldn't be respected for it. But your comment of "But I think if they are THAT needy, then maybe I should just feel glad that I am not!" is key for me. Honestly, I grew up with these very kind of people that are being spoken about on this thread. Not everyone is highly capable and resourceful. BE VERY THANKFUL that you (general you) can and want to work hard in life!!! You could be very bitter about a lot of things in any given day, but it's much nicer (and feels so much better) to just look at the bright side
  2. by   CEG
    Quote from Mrs.S
    just curious, where are you getting these ideas?
    Not getting involved in the argument as most people I see here on public assistance are hardworking people or immigrants who are doing what they can to survice. My patients are usually very grateful for the care I have given, rich or poor.

    But a common way the system can be manipulated is by remaining single. Mom doesn't marry dad, dad doesn't officially live with mom, and mom can collect welfare. Meanwhile dad may have a good job and live with the family. This is how many people on welfare driving Expeditions manage to do this.
  3. by   EmerNurse
    Had a patient once a few years ago in for a med-surg type thing with her legs. Completely AAOx3, insisted on a private room and got it, insisted her 19 yo daughter stay with her and was given a cot for the room, the kid raided our kitched to the point we had to change the code to get in (she'd watched until she learned the old one). They'd order in food they liked for each meal, but insisted on a tray for mom AND daughter, collected all the little sodas that came with the tray in trash bags. When she was discharged, she had TWO giant-sized trash bags full of cans of soda and juices she took with her. Said it was hers but she didn't drink it when it came so she could take it home. Nevermind that whenever she wanted a soda or juice, dd was in our kitchen helping herself to the "cold" ones.

    Abuse - entitlement - youbetcha. Bah
  4. by   Mrs.S
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Like I said, we have no idea what is in another person's heart and why they do the things they do. I don't think people who "steal" the crib contents or food do so necessarily without moral reservation. I do think some are desperately needy. Others may feel they are entitled to it, as they know they are billed for it (even if they are on the "system", in their minds, it's been paid for and would maybe go to waste if not taken). I mean, I don't kow the myriad reasons people do what they do. But I think if they are THAT needy, then maybe I should just feel glad that I am not! I try really hard to withhold harsh judgement in these cases. I Have been close, when my son was a baby. We literally lived paycheck to paycheck and there were tough times. And yet, even then, I was doing well by many standards. I had plenty to eat, a decent little house to live in and stable income as we were military.

    I can't say I know without a doubt people don't feel bad when they take things they can like formula and food. There is a sense of entitlement that is rather pervasive in our society today----but I see this pervading all economic levels---even well-off people who feel some "need" to get any "freebie" they possibly can. Like I said, they probably feel entitled somewhat do to the belief they will be billed anyhow---or that it's meant to be taken, unless told otherwise.
    Exactly! THANK YOU for this wonderful post!!
  5. by   33-weeker
    we must just get more patients who manipulate the system in ob than in other places in the hospital. without a doubt there are many single, unemployed mothers who obviously have more income than just what public assitance provides. i've watched it day after day for the better part of 16 years. i'ts hard not to form a sour attitude when you are a member of the 'working poor', who pay the most taxes but get the least in return.
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from 33-weeker
    we must just get more patients who manipulate the system in ob than in other places in the hospital. without a doubt there are many single, unemployed mothers who obviously have more income than just what public assitance provides. i've watched it day after day for the better part of 16 years. i'ts hard not to form a sour attitude when you are a member of the 'working poor', who pay the most taxes but get the least in return.
    i guess i have a different viewpoint. we were so low in the echelon in the military that we made just barely too much to qualify for food stamps...we did qualify for wic but actually i was told to have another baby by a state aid counselor (i was looking for tuition assistance for nursing school)---so we could get "everything". i of course, refused. but we definately ate a lot of beanie weenies and ramen. and times were tight----lots of 2nd hand clothes for my son and my clothes lasted me for years.

    i remember my bil looking at my dh's military pay stub asking " how do you people live on this pitiful pay?" humiliating? yes. but also gave me an appreciation for how little we could make do on---and do well.

    so i appreciate the difficulties people face, the "working poor" especially as i was truly there. but i cant' say i know how it feels to be that desperate, needy or whatever to steal whatever i could from the hospital to get by. i guess that is just my feeling on the issue.

    everyone is entitled to his/her opinion here. i respect the varying points of view.
  7. by   dawngloves
    I hear ya, 33-Weeker. I cannot afford to have a weekly manicure or hair appointment, but many of my pts mothers can.Then upon d/c when I get my paperwork together I find they are on PA and need a WIC form filled out.
    No, it's not everyone. But I could guess it's close to 25%.The other 75%, I make sure they have a pack of diapers and if bottle feeding, I will give them a weeks supply of powdered formula, (The hospital doesn't pay for it! What's it to them?)Then I clean out the bed of everything except what we need for a day.
    As far as the ambulance, they have put BILLBOARDs up in my area telling people it is not a taxi service. That is how bad it is. And I don't see these billboards out toward the suburbs, they are in the city.
  8. by   hogan4736
    Quote from dawngloves
    ...As far as the ambulance, they have put BILLBOARDs up in my area telling people it is not a taxi service. That is how bad it is. And I don't see these billboards out toward the suburbs, they are in the city.
    Did they put billboards in Spanish too?

    Have to be equal you know...
  9. by   dawngloves
    Quote from hogan4736
    Did they put billboards in Spanish too?

    Have to be equal you know...
    I don't go to that part of the city.
  10. by   nursejenrnc
    That may have been the first time you saw 911 called for SROM, but I am positive it will not be that last! You'll see 911 calls for SROM, "labor" that turns out to be one contraction every 15 minutes that are so mild you can barely palpate them, "bleeding" that turns out to be a spot no bigger than a nickle on her toilet paper ( which the EMT's will bring you wrapped in a huge reg bag ) after having sex or having a vag exam in the office that day, "pain" that turns out to gas or round ligament stretching, etc, etc, etc! There are alot of uneducated people having babies, lots of overly dramatic women seeking attention from signifcant others, lots of panicky grandma's who tell them to call an ambulance.

    Please keep in mind, though, sometimes ambulance calls are for good reason... never believe the report you are getting from dispatch or the EMT's, and NEVER blow off these women, never try to assess them by the looks on their faces as they roll through your door, always assume the worst and assess them until you can prove otherwise!

    I have had several over kill ambulance call situations, but I've also seen "my water broke" be complete and crowning on admit, "a little bleeding" be a complete abruption with FHT's in the 50's on arrival, "a headache" be severe preeclampsia, with BP 200's/120's, "pain" be uterine rupture, and sometimes the initial complaint is completely benign but you discover something else in the process of assessing her... the day you assume everything is ok... is the day you will be bitten so hard, you'll feel it for years to come!
  11. by   dimplesTMC
    Actually, I think that she made a good call compared to some others. I run on a Life Squad as a volunteer EMT-Basic for the city I live in. You would be absolutely amazed at some of the things that people call the Life Squad for. I have been on calls for toothaches, headaches, stomach aches, nose bleeds, small, superficial cuts to the foot, and needing transport to the hospital because they need labs drawn or to see their PCP. It actually is amazing to me what we will sometimes get called for. I guess I was raised differently....you only called the Life Squad if you thought it was a near death situation!!
  12. by   amygooch
    Quote from CEG
    Not getting involved in the argument as most people I see here on public assistance are hardworking people or immigrants who are doing what they can to survice. My patients are usually very grateful for the care I have given, rich or poor.

    But a common way the system can be manipulated is by remaining single. Mom doesn't marry dad, dad doesn't officially live with mom, and mom can collect welfare. Meanwhile dad may have a good job and live with the family. This is how many people on welfare driving Expeditions manage to do this.
    I personally know of 2 "system milkers". One, (I am ashamed to admit), is my own cousin. She is 32, and on full disability. She had cancer. It is gone now. Miraculously, they got it all! She has NO symptoms whatsoever, and although she was very sick for about 4 months, after her surgery, the cancer is gone. However, did she give up her check and go back to work? Hell no!! She also wont marry her fiance of 4 years b/c they are living together (unofficially, of course) anyway and if she married him, she would have a smaller check. She has not been to ANY Dr. in over 3 years!! However, when she got on SSD, she was considered terminal. So, they didnt schedule her for review for 7 years. She definately has that sense of entitlement, thinks the world owes her something. She also recieved multiple benefits from the community at the time and raked in $26,000. (Several of the largest donations came from area churches..even though she attends nowhere....Three each gave her $3000 because at that time, they heard she had no insurance and it would be a while before disability came in. She had lied. She DID have insurance, and disability only took a month in her case b/c she was terminal. She also had a cancer policy that paid alot. However, do you think she gave any of it back to them when she didnt need it? NOPE! After her surgery when she was cured, she went on several shopping sprees, plus a cruise, and spent the rest to remodel a house someone gave her (she lived in an old run down trailor and a rich woman passed away and left my cousin her house after she heard she had cancer and was living in a run down trailor.) At the time she was given the house, the cancer was gone!! Did she tell anyone that? Nope!!! It steams me beyond belief!!

    Then, the other one I know is on SSD for a "bad back". However, he does manual labor jobs ALL THE TIME, off the books, for cash. What kind of manual labor? Framing houses!!! Yeah, he has a bad back alright!!!!

    Sorry for the rant, but as you can see, this is my pet peeve!!! But, suffice it to say, there are LOTS of ways of abusing the system, and unfortunately, anyone with those kind of inclinations will have no trouble figuring them out.
    Last edit by amygooch on Nov 6, '06
  13. by   twotrees2
    Quote from HappyNurse2005
    Had a patient who called 911 for her water breaking at full term.

    I mentioned it to another nurse who was like "and why are you surprised by that?"

    i didn't know people actually did that. Not an emergency!!

    maybe she didnt have a car, that i get. but, how did the rest of her family arrive shortly after?
    my 3rd child came withing a few min of my water bursting all over the place - could be she just sat around the house with labor ( not me lolol - i am one of the "wimps" as some think of some of us that prefer pain management and getting to the hospital as soon as it starts lol) and when she realized she needed to go now with feelings of pushing - if she hadnt called the ambulance- even if she had family to take her could they have delivered the baby in the car? ive heard of it happening!!

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