I was fired for refusing to give injections incorrectly! - page 5

Hello, my name is Katherine. I have been an LPN for 10 years. I am an experienced clinition and have won awards for my excellence in clinical practice. I worked in an office for 10 years which gave... Read More

  1. by   BETSRN
    Quote from katlpn6
    Hello, my name is Katherine. I have been an LPN for 10 years. I am an experienced clinition and have won awards for my excellence in clinical practice. I worked in an office for 10 years which gave me a vast amount of experience, from family practice,internal medicine,pre-op teaching,pediatric nursing to urgent care. I take pride in my skills and am dedicated to doing it right for the benefit of my patient. I loved my job but felt it was time for a change so I took a new job in a pediatric office, this office served patients from birth to 18 years old. When I discovered the nurses in this office were giving IM injections with a 5/8" needle I requested that they order some 1" needles, which they did. When the nurse who was orienting me told me that she "tapes syringes together" to give immunizations I almost fell over! I told her that was not clinically appropriate and I would not be doing that. I worked there for two weeks and was brought into the office managers office after work one evening and told that it wasn't working out and they would have to let me go. When I asked why she told me it was because I was too set in my ways and obviously was not willing to do things their way. As difficult as this has been for me, I feel proud that I stood my ground and refused to do it wrong to just keep my job. From what I understand the department of health got word of this and has since gone in to correct the situation. Unfortunately it was at the expence of my job but at least I know the children are being properly immunized because of my sacrifice. Now I'm off to the trenches again to find a job that appreciates a skilled and dedicated nurse!
    It sounds as if you are lucky to be out of there! I would make lots of noise until they coprrect the sitaution and be truthful (at your next inteview) about why you were let go.

    They were taping syringes together ? You mean so that they could give two shots at once?? That's really bad!
  2. by   NoCrumping
    Quote from CseMgr1
    Good God! Who taught her to do that??

    Get yourself a lawyer, hun. Standards and Practice are clearly on your side...and not hers! :angryfire
    I believe in her post she said that they told her "it wasnt working out" or something to that effect. She was a TROUBLE MAKER , in my opinion, and they GOT RID of her. PERIOD. You can bet they have their but covered regarding firing her.Nobody wants a trouble maker around, not even management.:angryfire

    (WORKED WITH TOO MANY of these kind of nurses, who, when you get to the heart of it, are just all TROUBLE MAKERS, whose "complaints" about patient care are rediculous and more about personal issues.)
  3. by   BETSRN
    [QUOTE=NoCrumping]I believe in her post she said that they told her "it wasnt working out" or something to that effect. She was a TROUBLE MAKER , in my opinion, and they GOT RID of her. PERIOD. You can bet they have their but covered regarding firing her.Nobody wants a trouble maker around, not even management.:angryfire

    (WORKED WITH TOO MANY of these kind of nurses, who, when you get to the heart of it, are just all TROUBLE MAKERS, whose "complaints" about patient care are rediculous and more about personal issues.)[/QUOTE

    I applaud the nurse for refusing to use that improper injection technique but I do agree that maybe her approach was what got her in trouble. Maybe it was an attitude thing. She did sound confrontational.
  4. by   nursemike
    Yeah--what you said! (Nice post, BETSRN)

    I don't see anything ridiculous about objecting to giving two injections into the same site at the same time, and from the OP it sounds like the clinic may have played fast and loose in other regards, as well. I would recommend noting this in future interviews (It wasn't a good fit...some of their practice was questionable, at best, and they didn't seem inclined to correct it...yada, yada) but without too much righteous indignation. Go home and scream to SO or get on allnurses and rant, but to employers be the voice of reason and concern.
    I don't think the "trouble maker" charge is justified, though I have seen a few people who do seem to revel in the opportunity to get indignant. OP just didn't read that way, to me.
  5. by   katlpn6
    [QUOTE=BETSRN]
    Quote from NoCrumping
    I believe in her post she said that they told her "it wasnt working out" or something to that effect. She was a TROUBLE MAKER , in my opinion, and they GOT RID of her. PERIOD. You can bet they have their but covered regarding firing her.Nobody wants a trouble maker around, not even management.:angryfire

    (WORKED WITH TOO MANY of these kind of nurses, who, when you get to the heart of it, are just all TROUBLE MAKERS, whose "complaints" about patient care are rediculous and more about personal issues.)[/QUOTE

    I applaud the nurse for refusing to use that improper injection technique but I do agree that maybe her approach was what got her in trouble. Maybe it was an attitude thing. She did sound confrontational.

    I appreciate your input but let me assure you I am not a trouble maker. To avoid making my thread novel length I cut to the chase with quite a bit of the details. One of the things that happened with this nurse is that I asked her where they keep the 1" needles and her reply to me was "we don't use those here" to which I asked her "do you mind telling me why" her reply was "we just don't" I told her I preferr to have them on hand and would she mind ordering them. I am a professional and I tried everything I could to fit in there, both of the nurses there gave me a hard time every chance they could. I bit my lip most of the time and figured I had to earn my wings and took it all in stride and continued to care for pt the way I was tought but never forced my beliefs on either of them. Parents began to question why their children cried less when I gave them immunizations as compared to them. It's my feeling that they were threatened by me and worked together to get me fired.
  6. by   peaceful
    [QUOTE=katlpn6]
    Quote from BETSRN


    I appreciate your input but let me assure you I am not a trouble maker. To avoid making my thread novel length I cut to the chase with quite a bit of the details. One of the things that happened with this nurse is that I asked her where they keep the 1" needles and her reply to me was "we don't use those here" to which I asked her "do you mind telling me why" her reply was "we just don't" I told her I preferr to have them on hand and would she mind ordering them. I am a professional and I tried everything I could to fit in there, both of the nurses there gave me a hard time every chance they could. I bit my lip most of the time and figured I had to earn my wings and took it all in stride and continued to care for pt the way I was tought but never forced my beliefs on either of them. Parents began to question why their children cried less when I gave them immunizations as compared to them. It's my feeling that they were threatened by me and worked together to get me fired.
    I totally understand what you are saying. There are times when nurses gang up against other nurses. Yes it may be due to feeling threatened. I had an unfair incident happen to me, ended up having to leave, and i know it was not my fault. The nurse had been there longer, had more power and pull w/management. She never even gave me a chance, for some reason i made her furious. She was my preceptor! I never have had that reaction again, nurses like me, complement my skills. Turned out to have a happy ending. I have a great job now and also sorts of exciting career possibilities happening. So i guess when stuff goes wrong it many times can work out for the best. But it is totally unfair to be treated badly for just trying to be professional and do your work the correct way. Again, I understand.
  7. by   NoCrumping
    Quote from katlpn6
    I have actually reported them to to board of health and they have begun an investigation. Her remark to me when I questioned her technique was " I've been doing it for years and have never had a problem." but I can tell you that I had more phone call's and kids come in with abcesses and infections at the injection site in the two weeks I was there then I did in the whole ten years I have been practicing.
    I thought when you initially posted you wrote: "from what i understand, they have been reported to the board of health for this" and......now you are outright saying YOU personally did it? you were there not even a few months, right? you got those same kids from the last time the got immunized "comparing" your injection tecnique saying yours "hurt less", to the other nurse who was training you? interesting.....................................:u hoh21:
  8. by   katlpn6
    Quote from NoCrumping
    I thought when you initially posted you wrote: "from what i understand, they have been reported to the board of health for this" and......now you are outright saying YOU personally did it? you were there not even a few months, right? you got those same kids from the last time the got immunized "comparing" your injection tecnique saying yours "hurt less", to the other nurse who was training you? interesting.....................................:u hoh21:
    Your right....initially they were reported by someone else but I was called by the board of health and asked to give my side of it. So no....I did not do the the actual reporting. I'm sorry if I missled you, I did not intend to. And to clear it up, I was only there two weeks. Parents can be very verbal about things and I guess some of them noticed. I have been a pediatric nurse for 10 years and the nurse who was orienting me has only been a nurse for 6 months. She didn't have to teach me how to be a nurse, just teach me about the office protocol which in my opinion has nothing to do with clinical practice. Especially when what she was telling me was incorrect.
  9. by   GadgetRN71
    Katlpn6, I'd rather be a "trouble maker" nurse like you. Far too many nurses are worried about being liked and as a result aren't efficient patient advocates. I may piss people off because I speak up when I need to, but at least I can look myself in the mirror and know that I do the best I can for my patients. You did the right thing. Bravo!!
    Last edit by GadgetRN71 on Jul 19, '07
  10. by   linzz
    It is hard caring enough to do the job right. Thank you for being that one. I am sure you have saved many peds patients a lot of needless complications. I just can't believe that anyone would tape needles together, some shortcut that is. This is a different situation, but I have heard of a nurse that thought that regular and intermediate acting insulin could not be mixed in the same insulin syringe so she would give the patient two different needles, uggh! I am sure you won't have trouble finding other work.
  11. by   EricJRN
    Here's to hoping that the OP was able to move on and find another nursing position in the 2 1/2 years since the thread was posted.
  12. by   heathIam
    I've been in peds for 30something years and I have NEVER heard of taping two syringes together to give two injections.........so I don't think this is a peds thing.
    It is most likely just an ignorant lazy incompetent thing
  13. by   struggling nsg s2dnt
    howeee that's what i'm afraid of.. torn bet two things.. but i must say that whatever it is, we must always stand for the patient's safety bcoz that's our role as nurses..to be their advocate

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