Cost of New Grads? Dont understand! - Page 2

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  1. Sep 20, '12 by
    Thanks for all the replies. I'm not complaining by at means!!!! I'd give my left lung and kidney to work here!!!! I was just curious about the cost here vs what article say. I'd be willing to sign a contract ANYWHERE to get my first few years experience. In fact I am very "pro contract" for people who need continued education like us. I was just curious. They also say that they will contact a collection company if you quit. I don't see anything wrong. You know about it during the application process and you agree to it. Don't like it, don't agree.
  2. Sep 20, '12 by
    To Enthused - you have a point (somewhat) about when employees feel they must leave for their personal reasons (and it is for THEIR personal reasons) A/E/B other employees still staying). But are there any other professions or employers in industry that are almost expected to provide extended orientations to newbies? Just in order to have them independent-practice-ready in a competent novice capacity???

    So it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that there should be some type of reimbursement or payback for additional educational services provided by the employer when the contract is not honored by the employee. And this shoud be a program extended into LTC as feasible. Back to OP's original post - employers put into their orientation what they feel is needed for the output
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  3. Sep 20, '12 by
    This is the difference between the legal terms of "internship". An intern is not actually supposed to complete any work solo. Much like a student. It would be a violation of labor laws if an intern took a patient solo for a shift. So the employee is either being trained, being hired for an internship, or just hired. Pick one. The 10k clawback is a very legally grey area and I suspect it would not pass muster in court.
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  4. Sep 21, '12 by
    Shoot. Well i think most new grads would be willing to suck it up for a year and make 35k or so if it meant they would get hired where they want right away. Just who is going to replace the baby boomers?
  5. Asst. Admin
    Sep 21, '12 by
    Quote from CaptKris
    This is the difference between the legal terms of "internship". An intern is not actually supposed to complete any work solo. Much like a student. It would be a violation of labor laws if an intern took a patient solo for a shift. So the employee is either being trained, being hired for an internship, or just hired. Pick one. The 10k clawback is a very legally grey area and I suspect it would not pass muster in court.
    Labor laws state only that an intern is used for purposes other than education is owed minimal wage. It doesn't state that you can't care for a patient. Internships may be paid or unpaid and may or may not carry an offer of regular employment upon successful completion of the internship and/or school term. Learning by doing and being exposed to professionals working in the field provides valuable experience, a professional reference and often leads to a position.

    The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) defines the term “employ” very broadly as including to “suffer or permit to work.” Covered and non-exempt individuals who are “suffered or permitted” to work must be compensated under the law for the services they perform for an employer. Internships in the “for-profit” private sector will most often be viewed as employment, unless the test described below relating to trainees is met. Interns in the “for-profit” private sector who qualify as employees rather than trainees typically must be paid at least the minimum wage and overtime compensation for hours worked over forty in a workweek
    U.S. Department of Labor - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - Fact Sheet
    The Test For Unpaid Interns
    There are some circumstances under which individuals who participate in “for-profit” private sector internships or training programs may do so without compensation. The Supreme Court has held that the term "suffer or permit to work" cannot be interpreted so as to make a person whose work serves only his or her own interest an employee of another who provides aid or instruction. This may apply to interns who receive training for their own educational benefit if the training meets certain criteria. The determination of whether an internship or training program meets this exclusion depends upon all of the facts and circumstances of each such program.
    The following six criteria must be applied when making this determination:

    1. The internship, even though it includes actual operation of the facilities of the employer, is similar to training which would be given in an educational environment;
    2. The internship experience is for the benefit of the intern;
    3. The intern does not displace regular employees, but works under close supervision of existing staff;
    4. The employer that provides the training derives no immediate advantage from the activities of the intern; and on occasion its operations may actually be impeded;
    5. The intern is not necessarily entitled to a job at the conclusion of the internship; and
    6. The employer and the intern understand that the intern is not entitled to wages for the time spent in the internship.
    The cost of new grads consists of materials/copies of handouts for policies, the salary it takes to have educators on staff. Paying the new employees for non productive (non bedside hours) paying for extra staffing above the norm to accomodate the neew grad for having a mentor and not being counted in staffing norm as well as any fees necessary for CPR, EKG training ACLS etc.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Sep 21, '12
  6. Sep 21, '12 by
    You follow a preceptor and you attend classes for 20 weeks then you work 36 hours a week on your own. It does cost a lot of money to train new graduates. It is hard enough to get a job out there and so as getting into these Residency Programs, it is very tough and too much competition. They say Versant is a good program. My daughter accepted it, 2 years will fly by fast.