Only if you are not in it for the money - page 4

by nursedude

CE, Your post was truly heartfelt. How unselfish you must be...Tell me though, you say that when you went into nursing school it was not for the monetary benefits, is it still that way now? Or do you work for free? Yes, I... Read More


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    rncountry, nursedude has been informed by many of us, including me, that his approach or point of view is not helpful to the conversation in that it antagonizes others, and he has indicated that he will stick with his point of view. Whether we like it or not, he does have a right to his opinion and will no doubt continue posting antagonistic comments where he feels he can score points. However, I will acknowledge that in his posts, he has made some points that I agree with. On the issue of nurse professionalism vs. practice, nursedude, I need more clarification from you on the definition. It's not clear to me that one does not affect the other. Your nursing practice does include the ability to demonstrate professionalism. Like everything else, you can classify professionalism and assign a level from none on up to indicate the approach a nurse takes to his/her practice. Professionalism, in my opinion, is essentially an all-encompassing term and is not just relegated to educational background, skills, experience, network size, salary, and job title.
    ceworden, I'm glad you clarified the fact that you are well aware of the plight of nursing, and it's clear you have done your homework. I apologize if I miswrote your point.
    In general, I think the mark of a true professional is being able to agree to disagree acknowledging and accepting the fact that your point of view may not be accepted by everyone (I've had to do this on occasion). I feel that stark antagonism undermines the quest for answers and solutions although it does add to the conversation. I think if you discover or feel that a person likes being adversarial and really does not have the best of intentions, then pray for them.

    [This message has been edited by Mijourney (edited October 25, 2000).]

    [This message has been edited by Mijourney (edited October 25, 2000).]
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    CE, rncountry and mijourney....

    Please, please forgive me for attacking and antogonizing CE's perspective. And for that matter, since rncountry and mijourney feel so drawn to come to CE's aid, perhaps somehow you gals feel as though by my attacking/antagonizing CE's perspectives that I had done the same to you two as well.

    I just think it is a little perplexing that for whatever reason you all have taken the discussion on this board so personally. As if I were antagonizing you or who you are personally...I feel that because you all seem to be so personally upset that I challenge, disagree with and antagonize CE's perspective that maybe you all have an identity problem or something...

    Maybe one of the other nurses in this thread was right when they described some nurses as being codependant, martyrs and unhealthy...

    Why is it that you guys take this so personally???
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    Nurses that behave this way towards one another can make the workplace hell, regardless of any other issues nurses are dealing with.

    Gee, I didn't think we were in the workplace??? Um, it's called the internet aka cyberspace...

    So say what you think, but as long as the nastiness and sarcasm are dripping from your posts, guess I'll just pass them by, it is not worth my time.

    I am so sorry you feel so olbligated to read my posts. Also, I am sorry that I evoke so much influence over you that you for some reason have to reply to my posts...Even if you don't like them?
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    Don't take it personally. I just think you enjoy attempting to intimidate others, and when I see nurses doing that to each other it really ****** me off. It is high school behavior that does not belong in our profession. You always catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. I see no reason that you should be so sarcastic to people who are attempting to share concerns and/or opinions. But you are, it has been pointed out by others, you continue anyway, and I for one find it unacceptable. Nurses that behave this way towards one another can make the workplace hell, regardless of any other issues nurses are dealing with. I believe that when one finds it to be unacceptable then you should stand up and say so. So I am. Share your opinion, but lose the sarcasm. It is unnessary and immature. I am being direct. I feel you attempt to bully and I don't like bullies. Regardless if it is directed to me or anyone else. Too many good nurses have left their jobs because of behavior just like you exhibit, and that is something that should concern all nurses. We have issues like mandatory overtime, poor staffing, etc... yet nurses leave work places not just because of those issues, but because they are ripped into and treated so badly by fellow nurses. I've seen it too many times and think it is wrong. I feel strongly about this and willing to say so without trying to mince words. It is totally uncalled for and only when other nurses are willing to tell the bully to lay off will that part of nursing change. You have valid points, but they get lost by being wrapped in sarcasm, therefore you are not effective except to get a rise out of people. A waste of time because what gets focused on is not the need for change, but your words. I will stand up for what I think is right, and if that means defending someone else than I will do it. So say what you think, but as long as the nastiness and sarcasm are dripping from your posts, guess I'll just pass them by, it is not worth my time. I want to read things that enhance the discussion, not detract from them.
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    Now nursedude, didn't we have a discussion under another topic about taking things personally? Didn't I tell you that I would not clench my teeth over your posts? Since I don't know you in reality, I can't take you personally especially when you may be approaching this bb from the standpoint of a competition or game (par for the course for nurses). If it's any consolation, I think the fact that you responded to our posts in the manner you did indicated that perhaps you've taken us personally for "defending" ce? Maybe we offended you? In fact, I am flattered that you took the time to respond to my post. Like you, I know that my point of view may draw detractors and challengers such as yourself, but as you point out, this is cyberspace, and posters will let their hair down and even remove clothes. However, it's been my experience that whatever approach a poster takes in cyberspace, there tends to be a spillover in reality. Perhaps what we're dealing with is more than an identity crisis. Nevertheless, continue "out of the box." It gives us food for thought.


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