Religion Needed to be a Good Nurse? - page 7

We just covered a spiritituality/religion lesson in our BSN course and the instructor (religious) came out and said good nurses had spirituality and would be there for whatever spiritual needs the PT... Read More

  1. Visit  tatermama85 profile page
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    just be true within your self and do not be judgemental regarding others beliefs i truly believe we are all God's children and believe we do nursing as our purpose in life as the saying goes"do unto others as you would have them do unto you" a smile and hand holding go along way good luck in school
  2. Visit  stevenking profile page
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    Quote from fergus51
    I would argue that the loving and merciful nature of God would preclude him from abandoning his children in the afterlife simply because they didn't say "Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation" when they were alive.
    Yet, this is precisely what Christianity claims...

    Quote from fergus51
    I do think God will be angry with anyone who says anything bad about Ferris Bueller's Day Off though.... very, very angry:angryfire
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    Quote from tatermama85
    just be true within your self and do not be judgemental regarding others beliefs...
    Even if I am judgmental about someone else's beliefs...I still provide the same level of care to a patient. After all, people are free to disagree with me...

    But many are wrong [and no...I am not taking myself too seriously...you shouldn't either...]

    Steven King
    The Kingster
    Last edit by brian on Nov 7, '05
  4. Visit  mtnmom profile page
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    Quote from thekingster
    I always love to see that...


    About Ferris Bueller's Day Off - a classic which should be imbued with legendary status. :chuckle
    The wonderful thing about a classic like Ferris Bueller is that it can bring people of all beliefs together in laughter. And that is a good thing indeed.
    If you dont like that movie there is definetely something wrong with you. you probably will not gain admission to heaven, Nirvana, or any afterlife of any description other than Hades.

    And by the way, while I am here, can I put in a plug for another classic side-splitter, "Airplane".
  5. Visit  fergus51 profile page
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    Quote from thekingster
    Yet, this is precisely what Christianity claims...



    There is a great deal of diversity in Christianity and what each church teaches. A catholic and a baptist will differ greatly on what it takes to get into heaven so I don't think universalists can be dismissed so easily.

    I know the truth though.... you just have to accept Ferris Bueller's Day Off as a funny movie and be able to recite some of the lines by memory to please our creator Bueller?..... Bueller?.... Bueller?:roll Airline is pretty funny too, but I don't know if it's necessary for salvation or not.
  6. Visit  HRLRN profile page
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    So God looks down on my Associates Degree? Uh-Oh.
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  7. Visit  saadb profile page
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    Quote from flaerman
    Kinda sounds like your instructor is taking a little liberty there. Have been an RN for over 20 yrs, am spiritual to believing in god/supreme being because mankind sure isn't smart enought to figure it out. Have taken care of all sorts of pt's from christians,jewish,muslim,and even buddhists. All we have is to respect their religious beliefs. My buddhist pt who passed the family asked me if he could be kept in the room(and not refridgerated) for 8 hrs and could their priest/holy man come, which i complied with. Ultra-orthodox jews if they die after sundown on Friday can not be touched til the sabbath is over, plus any removal of life-support, IV's etc must be done by someone of their faith only(we used to stand and instruct family what to do for removal). 7 yrs of Oncology made me question God sometimes as to why good people can die so horribly vs scumbags that go on forever. When I first became a nurse my older pt's would say "God bless you" while thanking me for something I did, made me think "hey, I didn't sneeze"- but realized that religion and God were important to them. A nun wanted to pray for once and asked what parrish I was with, told her I was protestant, she said"you'd still let me pray for you?", told her yes indeed(a good word with God or whomever my people believe in has to be a good thing. Sometimes you will learn things from people of different faiths, respect their faith(ask questions if there is something you don't understand;ie Jehovah witness refusal to accept blood etc), your own, and avoid deep seated religious debates unless you got lots of time on your hands(have gotten this from born-again people). Always treat your pt's with dignity, respect, and exactly the way you'd want to be treated if it were you in that bed. flaerman:wink2:
    Amen sister!
  8. Visit  Indy profile page
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    I don't think I need religion, necessarily. My family intended to give me a religious upbringing, and what they forgot was that 13+ years of severe abuse tends to undermine any "official" message they may have been trying to get across. When I originally rebelled against christianity, I was rebelling against the control mechanisms that I saw.

    When I felt the need to belong, to have purpose, etc. I would try on some other form of religion along the way. I found some weird stuff, a lot of intolerant belief systems, some who wanted me to get an entire new soul, and lots of talk about relationships with higher beings. None of these things was for me, because I didn't have a relationship with myself.

    I've decided that the roots of any belief system should be compassion for your fellow man, and that compassion can't be contradicted by action, it must BE the action. So I get along with even the most fundamental of christians when we are working together to help other people in a physical way, for example, to provide free health care. We're in the same boat lane there, if not on the same ship.

    As for purpose and belonging, well I have family and nursing, so I'm less interested in religion now than I have ever been. I like to say I'm a heathen if anyone asks, because that implies no affiliation (not even pagan, they don't use the word heathen either).

    Now in nursing practice, what happens? Well, I won't be offended if someone prays for me, I think it's sweet. No one has yet tried to save my soul, but I'd have to nip that conversation in the bud if I couldn't turn it around. When faced with a situation where it occurs to me that the family or patient would want religious intervention, I'll make a suggestion and let them do their thing, or call the chaplain. Most families and patients I've seen so far don't want or need me to pray for/with them; they're very happy with my hand holding, forehead-wiping, hold the puke bucket brand of compassion.
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  9. Visit  jailnurse1033 profile page
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    In 15 years of nursing in a variety of settings I've seen a lot of diversity in people. Different things comfort different people. I'm an atheist myself, but I haven't ever found this to conflict with nursing. For me, my role is clear - I try to facilitate what is comforting to you (the patient), what ever that may be. It's not about my beliefs, it's about what brings the patient a sense of peace and safety, and this varies by the person. I think acceptance of peoples differences is needed to be a good nurse.
  10. Visit  RN Buzz profile page
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    what i have learnt from my nursing education it to provide care in a holistic manner in which i take into account the pts physical, mental and spiritual needs. this is what has set my university apart from other in our state.
  11. Visit  stevenking profile page
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    Quote from fergus51
    There is a great deal of diversity in Christianity and what each church teaches. A catholic and a baptist will differ greatly on what it takes to get into heaven so I don't think universalists can be dismissed so easily.
    Without becoming overly theological...Webster's definition indicates that to be "christian", one must follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. If Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father but through me..." - it was either a true statement or it was not. The Bible (which has to become an objective standard to its followers...)indicates that there is "...no other name given by which people can be saved..."

    So...to be a Christian means you profess a belief in the salvation offered through Jesus Christ. Period. Any other take makes you something other that "christian". Like my seminary professor used to tell us...you can claim to be a horse all day long...but unless you're walking around a meadow; neighing at the neighbors, and eating oats from a feed bag...well, you just might be something else...

    Christian = saved relationship through Jesus Christ.

    Last edit by brian on Nov 7, '05
  12. Visit  stevenking profile page
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    Quote from jailnurse1033
    In 15 years of nursing in a variety of settings I've seen a lot of diversity in people. Different things comfort different people. I'm an atheist myself, but I haven't ever found this to conflict with nursing. For me, my role is clear - I try to facilitate what is comforting to you (the patient), what ever that may be. It's not about my beliefs, it's about what brings the patient a sense of peace and safety, and this varies by the person. I think acceptance of peoples differences is needed to be a good nurse.
    The "acceptance" argument is a classic way of saying, "I'll just invalidate your beliefs...". Sorry. It does not work for me. I certainly respect people's differences about many things. I do not hide the fact that I am Christian when I work with anyone.

    Maybe I am missing something here - but haven't we all agreed that religion is not a necessary tenet for providing nursing care?

    Last edit by brian on Nov 7, '05
  13. Visit  Tigger Nurse profile page
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    Quote from thekingster
    I try to live my beliefs so I don't have to speak them...



    I, too, respect people's religious beliefs...even those I believe to be dead wrong.

    Just my $.02,
    Steven King
    The Kingster
    http://www.myspace.com/loverofeagles
    I appreciate your 2 cents and your common sense. I also try to live my beliefs and respect those that I beleive to be "dead wrong." Sometimes it's all I can do to keep from laughing because some are so "unbelievable!"

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