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- Oct 11, '09 by dscrnQuote from dscrnsorry for those typos! Can't type in the darkI remember, prior to a "visit"m all staff members were gien panphlets, with all the correct anxseres. We were given strict instructions that we basically were onle to speak whe spoKen to"...i I used to [ray that I'd be off the day that they arrived. Always seemed that they were big on written policy-whether it was in practice or not...
- Oct 11, '09 by 1TulipQuote from MedSurg32RNI'm just a peon, of course, and am not privy to all that transpires, but I'm on a shared governance council and we're the first clinical faces that see the most recent changes. I believe that the hospital administration has groveled, and promised, and performed everything they have been told to do. There has been a bunch of communication back and forth with the JC, in terms of filing their action plans and also explaining why certain things may not be infractions given our particular hospital situation and locality. (However, very little of the latter... mostly the groveling.)I would follow up on what consultants told you to do. You are on provisional status. Someone in your organization should have been have conference calls with JC to see if you are on track.
Our hospital has some significant strengths. We have been working out rear-ends off. It's all we've thought about for months and months and months. With the exception of two much smaller hospitals, we are IT for a huge geographical area. Our mock surveyor found a whole long list of things that are outstanding, but found 13 areas that would flunk us (in their view.)
75% or more of all the operating rooms will be gone. I KNOW that if they shut us down, surgeons will be doing stuff in stand-alone surgi-centers that they have no business doing. Patients will have to travel at least 2 hours to the nearest medical center which is, itself stretched to the limit. Our state is one of the worst in nursing shortages. If our hospital closes down any nurse that can leave the area for work will. We'll never get those nurses back.
Dear God help us and thousands of ill patients if they shut us down.
Oh, I forgot. Joint Commission just appointed themselves to be God.
- Oct 11, '09 by Ginger's MomNo, I think Medicare appointed JC God. Medicare has a long history of empowering other agencies to do their job. Pro organizations to denials, Medicare intermediaries to do out patient denials. This is one the reasons that I do not want a government health care mandate.
Sounds like your organization has done the right things. It would not be politically right to put a hospital out of business in this economy. I wish you the best of luck.
- Oct 11, '09 by 1TulipJust talked to my daughter who is an anesthesiologist. JC made them put a ringy-dingy bell in each OR room. Circulating nurse rings the bell and everyone stops and does their little final check. Maybe JC hasn't told us about the little bell and that's what they're going to fail us on.
If only they were consistent!
Has anyone had a surveyor hide their name badge and walk off with a chart? Yep. Now the rule in our hospital is that the charts have to be in our line of sight at all times. Not the confused and impulsive patients our unit deals with. No, they can be outside of our peripheral vision. But the charts, THOSE we have to watch at all times. The chart rack!!! Can you believe this is how they improve patient safety!!!!! (Yes, of course privacy is important. But how can I keep my eyes on the charts when my brain injured patient is half-way over the side-rails?)
If a bunch of people die in our area as a result of a bad decision by JC, I swear I will contact the lawyers to take them down in a class action law-suit.
- Oct 11, '09 by Ginger's MomWe have had surveyors walk in the emergency room before the appointed time. I don't believe that is right. That being said, this is just a small part of the aggravation of running a hospital.
How does your hospital do on the Core Measures, that weights heavily on how Medicare and JC sees you. You would not believe the baloney that hospitals have to do to submit this data. You have to answer ridiculous questions and then when audited which happens each quarter you have to defend the documentation. It is a total time waster yet if you don't comply you loss 2% of Medicare funds.
The state is even worse, in my state instead of filing paper work, we had to hire a computer program to write a program so we can submit our data electronically. Worse is you have to review the same charts you did for Medicare but apply different rules for the state.
And if your hospital hasn't been hit yet, Medicare is doing a RAC audit. If your t's are not crossed and I's are dotted you have to give back Medicare money that your hospital has already spent.
Perhaps the JC is being so hard since Your home state has been targeted as high cost low quality state.
- Oct 12, '09 by RNontheroadI have been feeling the same way about JC for some time. It seems they have been the "only fish in the big sea" for so long, that they have become rather demanding and sometimes unreasonable. Hopefully as DNV becomes more mainstream and hospitals start using them as an alternative means of accredidation, it will put JC back in check.
- Oct 14, '09 by 1TulipOur Core Measures are a mixed bag. On AMI we are superb and way beat the national average in door to cath-lab times. Our dicubitus rates are very low. When it comes to Pneumonia and CHF... we're near average, I think. With SCIP, I think we were below average but are making head-way.
I had not thought of that business about us being a high cost state. We have challenges that other states don't have... but that's true of lots of states. The crime is in instituting cookie-cutter standards and solutions to every hospital everywhere in the nation.
Oh, my... we are sooo tired of this. Our manager and supervisor were in tears last week, just SURE that they were going to be fired. (Like that would really help us pass!)
How long can you hold up under this kind of tension. Just trying to give care when we are understaffed is tough enough... we had no vacancies on our unit, were down 2 RN's and 2 CNA's. We all started the day with 6 patients, and ER was trying to send up admissions. And in all of that, we are supposed to have PERFECT documentation, clean and tidy rooms, happy patients, label all IV tubing, keep clutter out of the hallway even though they make us use those mobile computers which cannot stand in the hallway... foam in/foam out, don't just know the fire evacuation route... you have to know 2 evacuation routes, know where in the chart every conceivable piece of information is, secure the charts at all times... Aaaaaach! Maybe we should start a thread "Stupid and Impossible things Joint Commission makes us do".